Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 24, 2002 16:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by cat2000 on Sept 11, 2010 9:11:28 GMT -5
gocatsgo,
Just read what RR wrote above,
All true, and a pretty good thumbnail reading of CM.
His buddy Bobby Knight hated UK. I mean it was hatred of the first order.
Funny thing, but our f%@!ing AD at the time (CM) agreed with him. Usually publicly.
The condo thing, Manual, the pleading to violations that there was no proof of, the list is endless with this guy.
Id say thats being pretty specific.
I still remember him at first being embarrassed when he was confronted with the condo thing. Then pissed off that anyone would question a man of his station in life. How dare you was his attitude.
No I hope there is one more book out there to be written about CM. A detailed, facts only book and expose it all.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on Sept 11, 2010 10:11:08 GMT -5
I never knew this untill I saw CM's wiki page, but he recruited the first black player to Translvania and to Alabama. He then hired the first black women's and men's head coach in UK basketball.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 30, 2006 23:19:52 GMT -5
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Post by musicman on Sept 11, 2010 10:13:30 GMT -5
The obvious question is why would UK (and the powers that be) allow Martin Newton to work for UK? If I were in charge and knew the CM mess, I wouldn't allow it. UNLESS, it's a political move to use CM to help keep us in the good graces of the NCAA. Could that be the case? If so, I get it.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 24, 2002 16:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by cat2000 on Sept 11, 2010 14:43:39 GMT -5
Music, its simple,
The kid worked for Nike, and when Cal came in, the kid was a good way to marry in a huge way the UK brand and the Nike brand.
Phil Knight was very involved the day Cal took the UK job.
The kid is basically like having Nike sitting in an office down the hall so if you need something from Nike, you just walk 50 feet and see the Nike man face to face.
WCV has given some of you doubters an area to look into if you dont think CM was going to make things "right" at UK.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 24, 2002 16:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by cat2000 on Sept 11, 2010 18:11:57 GMT -5
WCV , lol, I know exactly the man your speaking of,
And course he was right in the end.
RP tried the same thing with Barni suggesting that the best option when BCG was fired was to go get Travis Ford.
Give Knight, and RP credit, they figured out just how to hurt UK the most if they could pull it off,
Lucky for us it didnt happen, but at least tells you all you need to know about either.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Sept 11, 2010 20:48:57 GMT -5
Read RR's list
Most I agree with if that all happened but - I would say a new Library was much more important to the school than a new arena. Having Graduated right before the new Library was built - I can vouch for how awful the old one was becoming and that it was falling apart.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 24, 2002 16:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by cat2000 on Sept 11, 2010 21:13:34 GMT -5
I would agree with the Library thing. Taking every nickle of profit from the 2 major sports, not giving it directly to a library fund, but instead to the Universitys General Fund. So basically the University was taking millions of dollars a year from the athletic programs, then coming back and saying we cant hire better football assistants because we dont have the money for it.
Typical UK and Newton, f%@! the guys that brought in the millions, and then make the long suffering fans (football mosty) keep hiring the under belly of assistants and then wondering why the football progarm cant make that final big leap.
Again another bright f%@!ing idea by the AD at the time Newton.
If there were so many big donors running around (and there were) why not let them contribute to it directly.
Instead we we always went on the cheap. Pitino and Call raised the bar on monies. Tubbaine basically was made a rich man and was totally out of his element. He made huge and vast sums of money and basically was sleep walking his last 1/2 dozen years at uK.
Everyone talks about recruiting today, but honeslty hire a great recruiter/coach and youll always have those players at UK.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 19, 2007 17:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by Cool Hand Luke on Sept 12, 2010 6:46:26 GMT -5
cat2000 is right on the money. That is the way it was and any attempt to revise the history of "C.M." doesn't cut it with people who followed UK closely in the reign of Newton. It was so obvious what was going on.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on Sept 12, 2010 7:38:48 GMT -5
I bought P's book Full Court Pressure (before he turned traitor). He talked a lot about various assistant coaches and was very complimentary about them. Then we get to tubbi. Pretty much the only talk of tubbi is a story about Rock Oliver breaking tubbi's ribs in a pick up basketball game. This tells me that P didn't think tubbi was worth a crap.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 25, 2006 12:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by gakat2 on Sept 12, 2010 8:03:23 GMT -5
Cat2K and RR can add a lot more than me, but wcv is on target with just about everything. Even the point about cm throwing Ivy under the bus. Face it ole cm is POS in the real Cat fan eyes. We know too much about his backdoor dealing. Yeh, he got P but as a THIRD choice. He had literally hired the bearded wonder, PJ, who is and was worthless and the money guys in Ky stopped it, or we would never have had P to bring us back.
And don't get me started on Roselle, this is the only communist that the university ever had at its head. He was truly out to destroy athletics, just another left wing clown from Cali. There are others that can add much to this and be more eloquent on cm but the facts are indisputable.
Another item, when wcv said that P was coming back after he left the Celts, that is 100% true. The lying tub backed out of his agreement to resign and we were stuck with tub-o-shit for many more years. Just criminal what tub and cm did. Hate um both, now and forever!!!
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 19, 2007 17:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by Cool Hand Luke on Sept 12, 2010 8:25:00 GMT -5
gakat2, Oswald was also left leaning and hated UK athletics, especially Adolph Rupp. He was brought in from Cal Berkeley during the unrestful days of the 1960's. It took years to overcome his administration. But, Roselle was even worse.
I am praying that the person who takes over for Todd is not in the mold of Oswald and Roselle. God help us if he/she is.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 24, 2002 16:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by cat2000 on Sept 12, 2010 8:27:39 GMT -5
This is almost unbelievable,
The last 1/2 dozen or so posts here incl rr's are the truest to history when it relates to cm and UK and RP and all of it,
Honestly it takes my breath away that you guys knew so much about the real story.
WCV, wow man, I don't know if Ive ever seen you write a post like that before. Folks this guy is a true KY fan and he knows what went on. I never knew your real background WCV and now I understand why you seem to add all these small grains of wisdom along the way.
Anyway, now your beginning to see a bit of what was really going on just below the surface.
Very interesting guys, all of you all impress the hell out of me,
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 19, 2007 17:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by Cool Hand Luke on Sept 12, 2010 8:35:47 GMT -5
Im going to add a little more than im done, we all Know Roselle was hired at ky mainly by the governor, and Rosellel was going to make uk a academic school, and almost do away with sports well we all know what happened there, so here comes CM, and he gets Pitino by hook or crook, and Pitino hires a great coaching staff, and lo and behold on that staff was a hot sot recruiter named Tubby smith , well the agreement between Cm and Pitino was when pitino decided to leave the job would go to Tubby, something like a coach in waiting, but Tubby was sent elsewhere to coach, untill the time came, see Roselle and cm threw moon to the dogs, and Chris mills wanted to stay but oh no Roselle turned it all into the ncaa, making fans think we were going to get the death penalty, we were never in jeopardy of getting the death penalty, imagine college basketball without the ky wildcats. but to get back to my point when pitino left no one was even considered but Tubby. The players wanted Donavan but pitino told cm that if donavan had been ready to coach at ky , he would never had let him leave, but cm wanted to be known as the man that hired the first african american coach as his legacy, and he strung Larry Ivy along as his replacement when he left, and ivy and pitino fell out because when pitino was hired at boston , ivy was offered a position with the celtics by pitino and ivy turned it down, so when cm left ivy was throwed under the bus, and that ticked off ralph hacker, and hacker said publicly that ivy got screwed, and say what u want about hackers play by play , not good, but he was and still is true blue. Even back to Roselle and cm, sutton was told u can keep ur job but u will have to fire your whole staff and sutton would not do this, and sutton when he resigned and i have the speech said he would never throw his coaching staff under the bus to keep his job, he called these people that was writing and saying this stuff little people. sutton that is. But heres the thing cm, or pitino never expected tubby to win a championship right off the bat, pitino had quit recruiting and only left him mostly his bench players, and when tubby won the championship, he rode that coat tail for about 6 yrs, got alot of big money from uk, which they did not expect to pay, and he could not be touched because of his color. so cm hit the high road and left it to barney to decide what to do, well when it came time, everyone thought tubby was going to resign, and pitino had it set up to take bostons money, and get the uk job back when tubby got bought out or whatever, well that did not happen so pitino turned big time on ky, and when they started to look for a coach after tubby finally took the money and left he lobbied for Ford to get the job cause he knew it would tank on out cause we all know ford is not ready for uk, now along comes calapari, and pitino has no control over uk anymore, and that sets him off and the sypher thang comes up, pitino goes crazy cause he had lost his dream job and all fell through, and cm had forsaken him even. see this is not made up my brother worked for uk 40 plus yrs. somewhat close to alot of situations, i even worked for uk. yes wcv worked for uk. as a electrician, i seen and heard alot. i may not be able to spell and type but someday someone will type it and write it for me, now if you dont beleive this just ask cat2k, rr, gacat, and some others im sure they will vouch for this story. This is just a tip of the iceberg, about this, i could go on and on. but folks this is true stuff. so beleive what u want and throw away the rest but this is true stuff. Yes it is true, wcv. All of it is true. And there is even more to the story. Maybe someone will write a book some day. It is refreshing to know there are UK fans out there who understand and can see through the lies and innuendoes put out by the press and UK haters. Unfortunately some of our young fans just don't know the true history. But that is not their fault because no one teaches true history anymore and most are too busy playing video games to seek out the truth.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 14, 2002 7:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by ironhorse on Sept 12, 2010 8:42:23 GMT -5
This thread is why Dynasty Defenders is the most unique and open UK forum on the internet. This could never be discussed at the E/D sites. Great thread!
#thumbup#
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 24, 2002 16:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by cat2000 on Sept 12, 2010 15:45:21 GMT -5
My only purpose in even bringing it up is that the young guys need to know how things can blow up and even at UK we can become very marginal, and quick.
We had a once in a lifetime aligning of the moon and stars with CM and Rozelle controlling things. They had one goal: Bring Kentucky down.
They almost pulled it off, but CM f%@!ed up by hiring RP and never in his wildest thoughts would have imagined he would have become, well Rick Pitino.
CM knew that he f%@!ed up and thought hell with em, I got one more chance to say f%@! you to the BBN. Hire Tubby Smith. A $150,000 a year mid level coach that also happened to be black.
He immediately began paying him $2.5 million a year and the rest is history.
The one thing that most folks don't realize is the WCV was EXACTLY right. CM thought Tubby was lazy and would just drift along. They never counted on 98. But in the end that just compounded the issue.
But I want one of those first copies of WCV's book when it does come out.
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