Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 19, 2007 17:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by Cool Hand Luke on Sept 12, 2010 16:05:31 GMT -5
wcv, write the book!!!
Young UK fans, heck any basketball fan, should know the truth and not be swayed by someone's opinion who knows nothing of the truth. I will give you an example of something I witnessed in my own family. I was having dinner with a brother-in-law a few years ago and at the table was his grandaughter. She was in the fourth or fifth grade. (by the way this was in kentucky) The subject was UK basketball and out of the blue the little girl said she hated Adolph Rupp because he was a racist. Since I was a guest I didn't argue with this little girl but I did ask where she learned such a thing. She said her teacher told her. Now I didn't know Rupp was a subject in grade schools but I guess he was. I next asked her what is a racist and what did her teacher say. By the time the poor little girl explained what she meant she had Rupp in KKK hoods and burning crosses. Of course, nothing is further from the truth.
I challenged her as I would all youngster to read every book written by Adolph Rupp, listen to every interview available on the man and get every fact known regarding his humanitarian side Find out everything in the world you can about the man, his family and how his peers in his age, black and white, thought of him. Then make an informed opinion. It might shock you when you discover the truth.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 24, 2002 16:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by cat2000 on Sept 12, 2010 17:17:30 GMT -5
Luke, I've met those same people all over the US when traveling.
I hate to admit it but I saw many of Coach Rupps games from in the 50s to the day he retired.
I can honestly say I never saw or heard a raciest thing come from his mouth. In some ways he reminds of a Nick Sabin at AL. Sabin is driven and only cares about one thing, WINNING.
Rupp was the exact same man with two exceptions,
One Rupp invented NEW things in basketball. He refined the game in ways that honestly saved it. Before Rupp, basketball was a very boring game in reality. He knew what needed to be done to make it as popular as it is today and he did it,
The other thing was Rupp was absolutely one of the funniest men alive. He was laugh out loud funny. Especially after games when he would do his post game show with Cawood.
It was funny that a man that hated Rupp so much would be put in charge of Coach Rupps life long passion, UK BASKETBALL. But there was CM totally in charge.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Feb 14, 2006 21:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by robcat1 on Sept 13, 2010 9:42:35 GMT -5
I'll be in line at the WCV book signing! #thumbup#
ALL the great insider info in this thread needs to be published, it needs to be shown that despite years of disinformation and revisionist history that:
1. Rupp was NOT a racist, but totally success driven and, for a man of his time, rather progressive.
2. Though a two sport UK star, CMNeuter tried his best to marginalize UK and damn near succeeded.
3. The fact that Tubby Smith is a no account bastard on many, many levels.
4. Cal is NOT the anti-christ!
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 17, 2006 13:57:55 GMT -5
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Post by littleblue on Sept 13, 2010 13:14:49 GMT -5
This is one interesting thread! Thanks to all you guys for sharing.
WCV, get that book written! Sounds like a story worth telling.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 19, 2007 17:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by Cool Hand Luke on Sept 13, 2010 13:49:39 GMT -5
I want a copy for my library wcv.
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Post by ukwildcat63 on Sept 13, 2010 14:17:33 GMT -5
I HAD A HALF BASKETBALL AND HALF BASEBALL UNDER CM WHILE HE WAS AT TRANCY......I DID NOT LIKE HIM THEN AND DON'T NOW.......I PRACTICED TWO DAYS IN BASEBALL AND QUIT......ALSO DID NOT LIKE ROSE.......SCREW HIM...... #angrybig# .....63
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Sept 13, 2010 14:31:39 GMT -5
neuter was on the UK team for a couple seasons--but to say he "played" for UK is really stretching the facts-- www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Players/Newton_C.M..htmlHis first season he was 14 man--a splinterer, and his 2nd season he was 10th and a sort of cigar turd from the bench---then he moved on with hatred and disdain for all things UK. teflonturd was the ultimate destruction foisted onto UK by neuter. then his aiding smell to get peeboy, while being paid by UK as a consultant is just stink on the turd--cmneuter. rr
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Post by dfg77 on Sept 13, 2010 14:34:22 GMT -5
Some of, not all, but some of the people knocking Newton for having Pitino as his third choice still kiss Barnhart's ass even though Cal was not even on his list after Tubby left. By some pretty reliable accounts Billy Clyde was third on his list for crying out loud.
I agree with the logic that C.M. was a bastard for this, however if you agree with that you have to also agree that Barnhart is in the same ballpark as C.M.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 21, 2006 7:57:19 GMT -5
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Post by wildcatdon on Sept 13, 2010 14:57:50 GMT -5
Well I might as well throw my 2 cents worth in..I remember clearly the story about Newton asking the players who they wanted as coach and they all said Donovan..So he brings in Tubby... But he made things worse in 95 when he could have rectified Cliff Hagan's mistake, and hired Howard Schnellenberger,but what does he do,hires idiot mumme and we end up on probation with a decimated roster....Several years ago I saw a picture that a friend sent me from Alabama..Showed that idiot Larry Ivy in a bar with Alabam clothing on,bashing UK right and left..Cannot remember if Newton was there,but the words from my friend about what went on there hurt me..I think Newton was there also..I was disgusted and wanted more than ever to get his name off of our field..Good info here guys..Thanks WCV,Cat2000 and RR...We old guys know what the hell is going on with our school...
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dfg77
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 13, 2008 15:53:58 GMT -5
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Post by dfg77 on Sept 13, 2010 14:58:08 GMT -5
Some of, not all, but some of the people knocking Newton for having Pitino as his third choice still kiss Barnhart's ass even though Cal was not even on his list after Tubby left. By some pretty reliable accounts Billy Clyde was third on his list for crying out loud. I agree with the logic that C.M. was a bastard for this, however if you agree with that you have to also agree that Barnhart is in the same ballpark as C.M. Barnhart wants UK to win even if he isnt the greatest, he doesnt hold the disdain for UK that Neuter does. worst case scenario he hates UK, best case scenario he is just incompetent. Either way I don't see why so many like him.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 19, 2007 17:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by Cool Hand Luke on Sept 13, 2010 16:03:50 GMT -5
Well I might as well throw my 2 cents worth in..I remember clearly the story about Newton asking the players who they wanted as coach and they all said Donovan..So he brings in Tubby... But he made things worse in 95 when he could have rectified Cliff Hagan's mistake, and hired Howard Schnellenberger,but what does he do,hires idiot mumme and we end up on probation with a decimated roster....Several years ago I saw a picture that a friend sent me from Alabama..Showed that idiot Larry Ivy in a bar with Alabam clothing on,bashing UK right and left..Cannot remember if Newton was there,but the words from my friend about what went on there hurt me..I think Newton was there also..I was disgusted and wanted more than ever to get his name off of our field..Good info here guys..Thanks WCV,Cat2000 and RR...We old guys know what the hell is going on with our school... I want his name off of the stadium so bad it hurts. Schnellenberger should have been hired when Fran Curci got fired. Jerry Claiborne was a nice coach, loved UK and his name should be on the stadium but Howard would have taken us to the Top of the SEC and kept us there. He would have been our coach for about 30 or 40 years and would have as many wins as Bobby Bowden and Papa Joe.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 24, 2002 16:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by cat2000 on Sept 13, 2010 17:53:38 GMT -5
As rr will tell you im a letter writer and email writer that borders on stalking when Im pissed off,
I wrote Howard a personal letter asking him to please come home before CM hired Mumme.
He wrote me back that UK would never allow it because of the old boy network incl CM.
I believed it then I believe it now
UK would be at a minimum Georgia in the SEC today. Loved Howard still do, saw him Sat when they played MSU.
I still stand by the original statement, CM hates UK and has for decades.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Feb 13, 2007 21:59:27 GMT -5
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Post by gocatsgo on Sept 13, 2010 18:52:46 GMT -5
Having read this thread my question is this: How in the world did CM Newton get hired as the AD at UK?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 25, 2006 12:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by gakat2 on Sept 13, 2010 19:17:03 GMT -5
I've read and reread almost every post in this great thread. Count me in for a wcv signed book. I know many bits and pieces but wcv, Cat2k and rr have the background facts. It just infuriates me as a 60+ year fan of the Cats how cm and the tub almost destroyed us. Especially us ole timers that don't have 20, 30 or 50 years to see a championship, no wonder we're bitter.
My last suggestion, this thread is so important, can it be framed on top of the Board for all DD now and future to behold??
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on Sept 13, 2010 19:59:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the tidbits, WCV! #thumbup# #thumbup#
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