Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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TRUMP
Jul 14, 2015 12:32:29 GMT -5
Post by Katman on Jul 14, 2015 12:32:29 GMT -5
I think Riley has been fair in this ^^^post and I think Streeter means well, but we still have to take into account that there really is no more need to vote for Democrats, because we've already given everything away.
This country is worse off than broke.
If we were just broke, we would be even, meaning no money but no debt. The reason I think Trump would be good isn't because I think he's the whole package, he knows how to navigate money. Does he have the other attributes, no....BUT, what attributes does the one in office now have that makes him better than Donald Trump?
If Trump gets the nomination (he wont, lets be real) I would however vote for him.
Also, what ever became of good old fashioned hardship? What better way is there to motivate when you don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of?
Like Riley said, if a person CAN'T do for themselves, we would never want a safety net denied to them, but to use entitlements to turn votes is so wrong, do I even need to mention it?
EDIT: Sorry RR...I didn't know you had posted. I will go read your post now, I wasnt skipping over it.
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stagger
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 15, 2007 23:34:41 GMT -5
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Post by stagger on Jul 16, 2015 10:06:40 GMT -5
Does everyone NEED a cell phone? Does everyone NEED air conditioning? rr I would say, yeah, heating in the winter and ac in the summer is needed to survive. I assume you're referencing the "Obama Phone" that everyone is all worked up over. I work in the telecom industry and am easily agitated with the entire "Obama phone" conversation. The majority of people are uninformed and simply wrong in their understanding of it all. The Lifeline program grants discounted services to individuals who are enrolled in Medicaid and/or LIHEAP, get food stamps, live in Section 8 housing, get free school lunches, etc. In addition to access to funds to cover the sometimes costly installation costs, the program basically gave a $10 monthly credit towards landline phone service, which was helpful when the program was started in 1984 when RONALD REAGAN was President (look it up). The program was expanded in 1996 under CLINTON to include a cell carrier (a pilot program) and expanded further under BUSH 2. Anything OBAMA did with this program is a natural progression (rapid landline decline due to mobile popularity) of what was started 30 years ago by the darling of the Republican Party, while working with an industry whose regulations are stuck in the 1950’s. I don’t care if anyone agrees with the program or not, but if people want to criticize it, they should have SOME idea of what they’re talking about instead of twisting half-truths to fit their own ideology. Maybe we could be calling them Ronnie Phones instead?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Jul 16, 2015 10:35:40 GMT -5
Post by Katman on Jul 16, 2015 10:35:40 GMT -5
Our cable provider asked me if I would like to add a landline to our service, this was right after I dumped it. I told em having that long wire coming out of my pocket would have to be awfully long if I go to the store. (Yes, I can be a smart ass)
But after dumping the phone, you would think it would save money, after a year or 2, I am paying more to not have it than to have it after all the increases.
But landlines are out.
If you think the R's are going to get credit for the free phones then I suggest you may be wrong. That just aint gonna happen.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Jul 16, 2015 15:00:06 GMT -5
Post by ruppsrunt on Jul 16, 2015 15:00:06 GMT -5
Every kid in elementary school does NOT NEED a phone--and for certain some form of welfare should NOT be paying for it!!
check out the food stamp(ebt crowd) crowd and see how many have a cell phone--
if you got a cell phone--you don't NEED free food!!
Ac--you got to be kidding. most old timers grew up on farms, worked all day in the HEAT(worse than now) and had only fans and a natural BREEZE for cooling.
Nope--AC is NOT NEEDED all over the country.
Bleeding heart libs find everything as a NEED---just so they can feel all good and tingly--but always use someone else's $$$!!!
And--where is anything posted about an "obama-phone"? Seems libs NEED to be giving stuff to their greedy breedy "needy" crowd--votes you know!!
How many SKINNY "poor people" in need of free food have you seen lately?
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Jul 16, 2015 15:15:34 GMT -5
Post by Katman on Jul 16, 2015 15:15:34 GMT -5
I grew up without air conditioning too. I didn't have it until 1991 when we bought this house. I survived, we had fans, still do, but we didn't get central air until 1999, in 91 we had a window unit. I didn't have a cell phone until 2007......SURVIVED!
While air conditioning is awesome, it isn't mandatory to stay alive, nor is a cell phone.
I am 100% for assistance for people who honestly need something they cannot provide to stay alive. The system should be geared as a safety net, not a comfort net.
I am one of the most liberal Conservatives on this board most will tell you.
I saw a lady check out in front of me with food stamps who had to weigh 390. I'm thinking.....WHY?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Jul 16, 2015 16:42:51 GMT -5
Post by fiddling on Jul 16, 2015 16:42:51 GMT -5
I've worked hard for 50 years now. I'm a simple man with simple needs. Not everything we want is necessary. I'd probably PO 3/4 of the people in our country and get shot within a month if I somehow magically became president.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Jul 16, 2015 18:05:48 GMT -5
Post by Riley on Jul 16, 2015 18:05:48 GMT -5
Not too hard to see who voted for obamer TWICE around here....
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Jul 16, 2015 18:11:15 GMT -5
lib enablers find a NEED around every VOTE for more!!!
screw libs---oops--isn't that the source of the greedy breedy needy problems?
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Jul 17, 2015 12:13:20 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Jul 17, 2015 12:13:20 GMT -5
Not too hard to see who voted for obamer TWICE around here.... U would be wrong. I voted Romney in 12 just cause I thought he was the least bad of 2 bad choices. I am actually pretty moderate and more a centrist than anything. But here anything to the left of right wing extreme wacko is considered liberal lol. I like to form my own opinions and not be bound to a party mantra unlike the right wing wacko hacks that beat on their party line like the sheep lemmings they are
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Jul 17, 2015 12:28:37 GMT -5
Post by Katman on Jul 17, 2015 12:28:37 GMT -5
I thought I pretty much nailed it yesterday, there is no need to ever vote for a Democrat ever again because we've already given everything away.
Mitt Romney didnt try to win that election, during the debates he let O off the hook, I think intentionally.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Jul 17, 2015 16:06:22 GMT -5
Post by fiddling on Jul 17, 2015 16:06:22 GMT -5
Not too hard to see who voted for obamer TWICE around here.... U would be wrong. I voted Romney in 12 just cause I thought he was the least bad of 2 bad choices. I am actually pretty moderate and more a centrist than anything. But here anything to the left of right wing extreme wacko is considered liberal lol. I like to form my own opinions and not be bound to a party mantra unlike the right wing wacko hacks that beat on their party line like the sheep lemmings they are If you see yourself a centrist, you should be careful of 7 years of bad luck. I think you broke your mirror.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Jul 17, 2015 21:19:29 GMT -5
Post by Riley on Jul 17, 2015 21:19:29 GMT -5
Not too hard to see who voted for obamer TWICE around here.... U would be wrong. I voted Romney in 12 just cause I thought he was the least bad of 2 bad choices. I am actually pretty moderate and more a centrist than anything. But here anything to the left of right wing extreme wacko is considered liberal lol. I like to form my own opinions and not be bound to a party mantra unlike the right wing wacko hacks that beat on their party line like the sheep lemmings they are ..........not only are you a liberal, but a dam good "flip-floppin'" one at that.....
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Jul 18, 2015 10:18:31 GMT -5
Post by Streeter on Jul 18, 2015 10:18:31 GMT -5
U would be wrong. I voted Romney in 12 just cause I thought he was the least bad of 2 bad choices. I am actually pretty moderate and more a centrist than anything. But here anything to the left of right wing extreme wacko is considered liberal lol. I like to form my own opinions and not be bound to a party mantra unlike the right wing wacko hacks that beat on their party line like the sheep lemmings they are If you see yourself a centrist, you should be careful of 7 years of bad luck. I think you broke your mirror. and if most of the ones here see them selves as anything but the Right wing extremist nutjob political hacks they are ... same to ya
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Jul 18, 2015 10:24:49 GMT -5
Post by Streeter on Jul 18, 2015 10:24:49 GMT -5
U would be wrong. I voted Romney in 12 just cause I thought he was the least bad of 2 bad choices. I am actually pretty moderate and more a centrist than anything. But here anything to the left of right wing extreme wacko is considered liberal lol. I like to form my own opinions and not be bound to a party mantra unlike the right wing wacko hacks that beat on their party line like the sheep lemmings they are ..........not only are you a liberal, but a dam good "flip-floppin'" one at that..... ok - I don't view being liberal as a bad thing in fact the opposite I see my self as Reagan Democrat / Clinton conservative but in the midst of SEan Hannity/Rush Limbaugh wanna bes thats considered to be to the left of Howard Dean gotcha.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Jul 18, 2015 10:31:35 GMT -5
Post by Katman on Jul 18, 2015 10:31:35 GMT -5
Seriously, we dont need liberals anymore because everything is spent and gone.
What else you wanting to give away?
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