Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Dec 4, 2019 8:47:28 GMT -5
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Dec 4, 2019 9:03:25 GMT -5
This is fun.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Dec 4, 2019 9:16:03 GMT -5
This is fun. u enjoy lying of course it's fun for u. As for RR when he has no reply acts like all just a joke.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Dec 4, 2019 9:23:05 GMT -5
This is fun. u enjoy lying of course it's fun for u. As for RR when he has no reply acts like all just a joke. RR is playing. katman is serious. He is the most hate filled person on the internet.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Dec 4, 2019 13:42:16 GMT -5
He didn't bribe anybody you have to get something out of a bribe nothing was exchanged. People will see what they want to on this but bottom line zero laws broken. Zero direct evidence considerable heresay. You keep saying trump is afraid of Biden. I would come back with why all the hedging by dems in the house if its a slam dunk. The whole thing is a waste of time. Pelousi do nothing congress is a total failure. If trump is beat in the election so be it. Thats as it should be. Idiot dems are trying to bundle mueler investigation into the aoi they are claiming trump plotted to remove the former ambassador hell obama fired everyone in the dc nary a word said. This is about power Trump has it Dems want it but cant figure how to get it this on or maybe more to the point are afraid of the potential result so we have this farce. Nuff said It’s a bribe. The evidence is overwhelming. But your thinking is flawed if you think the winner of the election can just do as they please and break any law and the retort is simply “just vote them out next time”. That’s ridiculous. They have to follow due process and they are. It’s hard to investigate when the president is obstructing the investigation. Ordering witnesses to not testify. He’s not only guilty of bribing, quid pro quo or whatever you want to call it, he’s also guilty of obstruction. Fortunately for him the GOP senators, to this point, have the same see no, hear no, speak no evil that you do about this. And trump did all of this because he’s scared shitless of Biden. The president is not above the law. No matter how many times you say it. Coming from the party that impeached Clinton over a BJ these excuses are unbelievable. Laughable, but unbelievable. What was exchanged? Something has to be given and accepted. Bear in mind that releasing the money for weapons or whatever only has to be done during the physical year. Note also that Ukraine got the javelins they were not held up. Not even close to a bribe. Clinton lied several times to a grand jury, lost his law licensee because of it. Now even in retrospect do I think the "encounter" is impeachable? Of course not but in that case it was an ill conceived idea to get him into a grand jury to answer other questions i.e. the lies none of which had anything to do with the BJ. He is not above the law but he hasn't broken any, absolutely no direct evidence from all of the "witnesses" just opinion of well I talked to a who heard it from b how asked c. and finally if you are going to accuse somone of bribary you have to make it stick..that hasn't and will not happen because there was no bribary
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Dec 4, 2019 13:45:51 GMT -5
dems searching and floundering to oust the GREAT president TRUMP. they all be flailing and FAILING--TRUMP will be president of the USA for the next 5 years. all the pretend, all the false claims, all the flailing--to no avail. dems must face 5 more YEARS of President TRUMP!!! not a joke--just a FACT---accept it. rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Dec 4, 2019 13:49:47 GMT -5
Now JD is dropping the race card.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Dec 4, 2019 13:50:19 GMT -5
It’s a bribe. The evidence is overwhelming. But your thinking is flawed if you think the winner of the election can just do as they please and break any law and the retort is simply “just vote them out next time”. That’s ridiculous. They have to follow due process and they are. It’s hard to investigate when the president is obstructing the investigation. Ordering witnesses to not testify. He’s not only guilty of bribing, quid pro quo or whatever you want to call it, he’s also guilty of obstruction. Fortunately for him the GOP senators, to this point, have the same see no, hear no, speak no evil that you do about this. And trump did all of this because he’s scared shitless of Biden. The president is not above the law. No matter how many times you say it. Coming from the party that impeached Clinton over a BJ these excuses are unbelievable. Laughable, but unbelievable. What was exchanged? Something has to be given and accepted. Bear in mind that releasing the money for weapons or whatever only has to be done during the physical year. Note also that Ukraine got the javelins they were not held up. Not even close to a bribe. Clinton lied several times to a grand jury, lost his law licensee because of it. Now even in retrospect do I think the "encounter" is impeachable? Of course not but in that case it was an ill conceived idea to get him into a grand jury to answer other questions i.e. the lies none of which had anything to do with the BJ. He is not above the law but he hasn't broken any, absolutely no direct evidence from all of the "witnesses" just opinion of well I talked to a who heard it from b how asked c. and finally if you are going to accuse somone of bribary you have to make it stick..that hasn't and will not happen because there was no bribary So in your world if you bribe a police officer that stops you for speeding but the officer does not accept the bribe then there was no bribe? Are you frickin serious?? As for Clinton, it was all about the BJ. They got him for lying about the BJ and the relationship. Nothing else. They tried to say it was about something else because they were too ashamed to admit that they were impeaching him solely for the BJ. But they were. But you just stick with that theory of a bribe not being a bribe if no one accepts it. Let's see how that works for you. That's funny shit!! I hope that's the defense of the GOP. That would be epic.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Dec 4, 2019 13:51:22 GMT -5
Now JD is dropping the race card. More lies from the proven liar. But as I told you in another thread, you should stick with the lying. You have that down pat. But if that's what you want to use to ban me then have at it, chickenshit!!
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Dec 4, 2019 14:43:10 GMT -5
Now JD is getting out in front of the VICTIM CARD!
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Dec 4, 2019 16:47:02 GMT -5
Now JD is dropping the race card. More lies from the proven liar. But as I told you in another thread, you should stick with the lying. You have that down pat. But if that's what you want to use to ban me then have at it, chickenshit!! The law is very clear on bribing a policeman and he has to prove it. The issue here is what was the bribe? it was clear that the favor was in relation to the 2016 election and within the perview of a US investigation of same by Barr, in fact the existing treaty with the Ukraine requires cooperation. He did not threaten not giving money and in fact legally he can hold money for no reason as long as it goes to where its supposed to go before the end of the fiscal year. It is not against federal law at least as far as I know to condition dealings with a country. You could argue that Trump gains advantage by the investigation of Biden. That has not happened there was no investigation, there was no withholding of Money. No crime period We will go round and round on this you hate trump ok by me but there's more to it here then that, there will be tit for tat at some point, we don't hire these assholes though election to sit around get money and do nothing at all about larger issues be it immigration, tort reform, healthcare, infrastructure yada, yada, yada. He has done nothing to the level of impeachment except get elected. You say he's a liar and a scumbag but I"ve never heard you say that about shift who has been repeatedly caught in lies, obstructed calling of witnesses etc. Plenty of stuff here both sides but Dems keep trying to suppress one side to get their desired impeachment in the house. They know there is zero chance of a conviction, its unfortunate they waste our time. Nothing changes in either base although it appears independents are moving away from the issue.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Dec 4, 2019 17:29:01 GMT -5
Now JD is getting out in front of the VICTIM CARD! More lies from the proven liar.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Dec 4, 2019 17:57:47 GMT -5
More lies from the proven liar. But as I told you in another thread, you should stick with the lying. You have that down pat. But if that's what you want to use to ban me then have at it, chickenshit!! The law is very clear on bribing a policeman and he has to prove it. The issue here is what was the bribe? it was clear that the favor was in relation to the 2016 election and within the perview of a US investigation of same by Barr, in fact the existing treaty with the Ukraine requires cooperation. He did not threaten not giving money and in fact legally he can hold money for no reason as long as it goes to where its supposed to go before the end of the fiscal year. It is not against federal law at least as far as I know to condition dealings with a country. You could argue that Trump gains advantage by the investigation of Biden. That has not happened there was no investigation, there was no withholding of Money. No crime period We will go round and round on this you hate trump ok by me but there's more to it here then that, there will be tit for tat at some point, we don't hire these assholes though election to sit around get money and do nothing at all about larger issues be it immigration, tort reform, healthcare, infrastructure yada, yada, yada. He has done nothing to the level of impeachment except get elected. You say he's a liar and a scumbag but I"ve never heard you say that about shift who has been repeatedly caught in lies, obstructed calling of witnesses etc. Plenty of stuff here both sides but Dems keep trying to suppress one side to get their desired impeachment in the house. They know there is zero chance of a conviction, its unfortunate they waste our time. Nothing changes in either base although it appears independents are moving away from the issue. This has nothing to do with my personal like or dislike of trump. You are the one making it personal and taking it personally. You can see no wrong in trump whereas I can see and say that trump has done some good things. The issue is he bribed a foreign government to dig up dirt on a political opponent. How any American can be ok with that is beyond reasonable comprehension. If a democrat did that you guys would be going insane. Hell, you impeached Clinton for a BJ. The hypocrisy is appalling. Then he obstructed the investigation. Again, if it was a democrat the GOP’ers heads would have exploded. But it’s trump and you all fall in line with whatever BS they feed you.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Dec 4, 2019 18:23:36 GMT -5
If Trump was a Dem. Folks would be making 10 threads a day saying how Trump needs to go.
That said after seeing Bidens gaffe in the OP dsmn that was creepy AF
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on Dec 4, 2019 19:30:16 GMT -5
The law is very clear on bribing a policeman and he has to prove it. The issue here is what was the bribe? it was clear that the favor was in relation to the 2016 election and within the perview of a US investigation of same by Barr, in fact the existing treaty with the Ukraine requires cooperation. He did not threaten not giving money and in fact legally he can hold money for no reason as long as it goes to where its supposed to go before the end of the fiscal year. It is not against federal law at least as far as I know to condition dealings with a country. You could argue that Trump gains advantage by the investigation of Biden. That has not happened there was no investigation, there was no withholding of Money. No crime period We will go round and round on this you hate trump ok by me but there's more to it here then that, there will be tit for tat at some point, we don't hire these assholes though election to sit around get money and do nothing at all about larger issues be it immigration, tort reform, healthcare, infrastructure yada, yada, yada. He has done nothing to the level of impeachment except get elected. You say he's a liar and a scumbag but I"ve never heard you say that about shift who has been repeatedly caught in lies, obstructed calling of witnesses etc. Plenty of stuff here both sides but Dems keep trying to suppress one side to get their desired impeachment in the house. They know there is zero chance of a conviction, its unfortunate they waste our time. Nothing changes in either base although it appears independents are moving away from the issue. This has nothing to do with my personal like or dislike of trump. You are the one making it personal and taking it personally. You can see no wrong in trump whereas I can see and say that trump has done some good things. The issue is he bribed a foreign government to dig up dirt on a political opponent. How any American can be ok with that is beyond reasonable comprehension. If a democrat did that you guys would be going insane. Hell, you impeached Clinton for a BJ. The hypocrisy is appalling. Then he obstructed the investigation. Again, if it was a democrat the GOP’ers heads would have exploded. But it’s trump and you all fall in line with whatever BS they feed you. ...JD Posts the following:.... The issue is he bribed a foreign government to dig up dirt on a political opponent. ...JD, I don't think that has been proven by anyone from Mueller to the impeachment hearings so far....no one so far has "first hand" knowledge of hearing that, seeing that, or being there to see it happen....we all get that you are "liberal to the bone", but I for one think you're graspin' for straws on that statement...somehow, seeing your macho persona on here for years I never took that you'd be such a pansy in your political beliefs....but, to each his own...
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