Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Jun 29, 2020 7:53:07 GMT -5
You can see nowadays that people want to call everything racist. They see race injustice in a tube of tooth paste.
Here's an idea, while tearing down statues while wearing domestic terrorist Antifa masks, why dont they tear down the Democrat party who stood in war with the South to keep slavery?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 21, 2019 12:37:12 GMT -5
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Post by fiddlingone on Jun 29, 2020 8:24:21 GMT -5
I wonder where we'd be today if our (workers, business, consumers, stockholders,gov) collective greed hadn't run so many nice paying jobs off.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Jun 29, 2020 9:46:58 GMT -5
More cost for services I think but with salary's commensurate with the C.O.L. No dependence on foreign suppliers and a very competitive world wide market. You would not have china being able to leverage factory locations and labor for technology i.e. you build an I phone their we take the tech. Or a car, or a planes navigation and control systems. Reasonable regulations that promoted growth and the environment. More innovation to get more efficient, a better educated and trained labor pool to draw from. Controlled immigration that would benefit those wanting to come in and our indigenous labor base. Overall less struggle to get along I think for disadvantaged people. Lot more equality in the labor pool.
The greed was good for a few years but has cost us dearly in the long run.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Jun 29, 2020 9:57:10 GMT -5
I'll amend that a bit fiddling, greed was good for a munch of MBA's that saw fit to rob cash rich retirement funds and pay off preferred stockholders in buy backs. The had to pay back the funds and the easy way was lower wages the only way to really do that was to outsource or relocated divisions to other countries. At that time US simply couldn't compete on the labor, that drove wages down or made them stagnant and along with promises to labor that they would repatriate those factories and wages would rebound, all untrue. Its only in Trumpster's administration that we are seeing some small recovery of wages and yes to a larger degree jobs but because of the massive profits (big Pharm is an example, steel production is one too) from foreign based wings of the corporations, it became difficult if not impossible to repatriate heavy industries and make stock holders happy and keep those obscene Sr. Exec. salaries high and bonuses even higher. You want systemic that vicious circle of investment/manufacturing/profits is an example of systemic group think and bidness policy that does not benefit the end user. JMO though
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Jun 29, 2020 10:01:46 GMT -5
Gordon Gecko frowns upon this thread
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 21, 2019 12:37:12 GMT -5
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Post by fiddlingone on Jun 29, 2020 10:11:46 GMT -5
Gordon Gecko frowns upon this thread Never heard of Gordon Gekko. Had to look him up, but everyone was fighting over their size of the slice of the pie.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on Jun 29, 2020 11:46:37 GMT -5
...allowing china the free reign over our industrial complex, liberal politicians could line their pockets with $$$$$$$$$$$.....
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Jun 29, 2020 12:30:20 GMT -5
The message that must go viral...
DONT BE A SHEEP!
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Jun 29, 2020 13:16:35 GMT -5
Gordon Gecko frowns upon this thread That is true grasshopper, fiddlin's thread reminded me on how much has changed, when I was still in the coal industry working for P&M Coal Gulf oil who owned P&M merged with Chevron, wasn't any real reason to do it both companies were doing well but some of the exec in Gulf wanted cash and those in Chevron wanted more power, result President of Gulf got 11M is severance peanuts by todays standard and a position on the new board, 20,000 folks lost jobs due to duplication, medical benefits went down no real perk for the working people down the line blue and white collar other then we could roll stock into chevron or take or sell. From P&M's perspective Chevron could have given two shakes about coal which at that time was doing well P&M was a profit maker but Chevron didn't put money into the hopper for new reserve purchase. Anyway just an old story Greed was good for the Chairman, President, and big execs who got big severance packages or buyouts and could retire or move on to do the same thing to the next company. That merger was the biggest in history at that point in time. Peanuts by today's standards. Nothing much has changed from the Top except they have no severance for most white collar and little if any for blue collar now and all the jobs are outsourced to asia etc.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Jun 29, 2020 16:56:53 GMT -5
Gordon Gecko frowns upon this thread Never heard of Gordon Gekko. Had to look him up, but everyone was fighting over their size of the slice of the pie. Gordon Gecko (played by Michael Douglas) a fiction character in movie Wall Street (killer movie btw) made famous the slogan "Greed is good"
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on Jun 29, 2020 17:13:16 GMT -5
Never heard of Gordon Gekko. Had to look him up, but everyone was fighting over their size of the slice of the pie. Gordon Gecko (played by Michael Douglas) a fiction character in movie Wall Street (killer movie btw) made famous the slogan "Greed is good" Yeah, I googled him.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Jun 29, 2020 19:23:46 GMT -5
I fail to see what some hollywood dipshit has to do with this thread.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on Jun 29, 2020 19:35:12 GMT -5
I fail to see what some hollywood dipshit has to do with this thread. I brought the subject of greed in the conversation. Greed cost jobs. Nice paying jobs would make it harder for the left/rinos to push their bs.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Jun 29, 2020 19:38:04 GMT -5
I fail to see what some hollywood dipshit has to do with this thread. I brought the subject of greed in the conversation. Greed cost jobs. Nice paying jobs would make it harder for the left/rinos to push their bs. Im talking about whoever brought up Gordon Gecko. WTF?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on Jun 29, 2020 19:54:45 GMT -5
I brought the subject of greed in the conversation. Greed cost jobs. Nice paying jobs would make it harder for the left/rinos to push their bs. Im talking about whoever brought up Gordon Gecko. WTF? He was using it as an example of greed among the elite that cost jobs.
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