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Post by Katman on Dec 2, 2020 13:36:11 GMT -5
You just cant see the big picture can you? Far Clearer then you think, you do not understand the timeline do you? All of this stuff is great affidavit wise but things like 130K votes in a row, the quadrillion to 1 chance of some things happening so Biden could win mean nothing if you can't show very hard numbers, it will take time to uncover that and prove that if ever, by the time its done Biden will be in office or Harris after a few months, there will probably still be a demo house that wont impeach and in the senate you won't have a super majority to convict. The best outcome at least relatively short term are positive changes in the election system at least a federal level for federal elections, states will have to deal with their elections. Do you honestly think SCOTUS will overturn the election assuming they even take the case, even at that they probably sever the votes from the reform decision. That's the big picture, I am at the point if the fools in Seattle, Chicago, New York, San Francisco, etc see fit to re-elect those people let them and screw the if they need help. They don't like it get annexed by Canada or Mexico. The folks they have elected to run these cities and States is in the hands of the voters they seem to be ok with it until they get bit in the ass. If that's the case I'm ok with it too as long as my tax dollars don't help them and that is the rub Since you dont believe Biden is a national security risk I can only assume you cant see where this could be headed. |
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Post by houstoncat on Dec 2, 2020 13:42:19 GMT -5
Far Clearer then you think, you do not understand the timeline do you? All of this stuff is great affidavit wise but things like 130K votes in a row, the quadrillion to 1 chance of some things happening so Biden could win mean nothing if you can't show very hard numbers, it will take time to uncover that and prove that if ever, by the time its done Biden will be in office or Harris after a few months, there will probably still be a demo house that wont impeach and in the senate you won't have a super majority to convict. The best outcome at least relatively short term are positive changes in the election system at least a federal level for federal elections, states will have to deal with their elections. Do you honestly think SCOTUS will overturn the election assuming they even take the case, even at that they probably sever the votes from the reform decision. That's the big picture, I am at the point if the fools in Seattle, Chicago, New York, San Francisco, etc see fit to re-elect those people let them and screw the if they need help. They don't like it get annexed by Canada or Mexico. The folks they have elected to run these cities and States is in the hands of the voters they seem to be ok with it until they get bit in the ass. If that's the case I'm ok with it too as long as my tax dollars don't help them and that is the rub Since you dont believe Biden is a national security risk I can only assume you cant see where this could be headed. Hell Katman I consider you a security risk...to my sanity. What's going to happen will happen be that change or no change, As for Biden no worries Dems will prep for a quick removal of him and put Harris in the Oval Office of course that's no better. |
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Post by Katman on Dec 2, 2020 13:46:04 GMT -5
I believe Trump would enact the Insurrection Act before that would happen and let the military try the perps.
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Post by fiddlingone on Dec 2, 2020 13:47:44 GMT -5
My fear is if they get away with this, they will change so many things (ie pack the court-voting laws-additional senators-no EC and so forth) that we will be so far left that it will be over. If things get bad, I for one would vote for Ky to secede. As of now the runoffs are the most important thing to provide at least a temporary buffer I've always agreed we need the senate, but I'm still hopeful of prez-can't give up. Re tyranny from your earlier post: If they get away with the obvious steal going on, don't you think at least half the people will be very fearful of the gov? |
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Post by stagger on Dec 2, 2020 13:54:23 GMT -5
Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch. So, when Biden gets in office (and he will be taking office because no proof of voter fraud has been produced), when the Proud Boy knuckle draggers ramp up their rhetoric about taking back the country or starting a new Civil War, will you support them or cry out for them to be brought up on charges of sedition? Have you not been listening to the hearings in Michigan and Wisconsin and Penn. Massive voter fraud. Biden wont be taking office, he is a national security threat. You are listening to MSM. Dont go to corporate owned controlled media. |
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Post by houstoncat on Dec 2, 2020 14:11:38 GMT -5
As of now the runoffs are the most important thing to provide at least a temporary buffer I've always agreed we need the senate, but I'm still hopeful of prez-can't give up. Re tyranny from your earlier post: If they get away with the obvious steal going on, don't you think at least half the people will be very fearful of the gov? |
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Post by houstoncat on Dec 2, 2020 14:12:02 GMT -5
I've always agreed we need the senate, but I'm still hopeful of prez-can't give up. Re tyranny from your earlier post: If they get away with the obvious steal going on, don't you think at least half the people will be very fearful of the gov? Fiddlin look at the Jefferson quotes I posted a few minutes ago particularly one on fear of govt |
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Post by fiddlingone on Dec 2, 2020 14:22:16 GMT -5
Fiddlin look at the Jefferson quotes I posted a few minutes ago particularly one on fear of govt I did and even referenced it in my post. |
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Post by houstoncat on Dec 2, 2020 15:07:53 GMT -5
I did and even referenced it in my post. I still think you guys misunderstand my position on all of this, do I think crap went on? Yes I do and on a large scale. So what's the problem? There is no defined hard evidence at the moment of defined votes and who produced them, only affidavits, powerful yes but proof to overturn no. There is Dominion - True but again you have to have machine access so the experts can look at the programming and fingerprints that may have been erased. All we have now is definite trends from an uber expert compelling but not definitive. Defined probabilities and statistics - the problem here is its math based on the circumstances, granted a quadrillion to one chance of Biden doing what he did, where he did, and when he did is extremely convincing to me but to a Judge that isn't anxious about overturning an election it just makes his head explode because he has to write his decision, hence they say the folk have no standing or insufficient specific data, or not enough to turn over the election, the fact that they will not let you randomly sample machines and ballots to test the issue is a moot point, to a Judge who's worried about making a decision. I believe that the President should take this as far as he legally can. He has to do it legally otherwise he's no better then the crooks that did this. I believe he should push to toughen up at least the Federal Voting requirement with regard to mail ins, proof of being the recipient, and sending the vote, making sure all components including envelop of the mail in are preserved, signature validation or fingerprint ID if they can't write , presenting ID at the polls, automatic concurrent audit with the vote will reps of all parties present, (I suggest using a vegas observation system those dudes got it down cold. Even if he doesn't retain office getting that done is part of a great legacy and at the end of the day good for all voting citizens Georgia - I believe that should be the focus of the electorate now, even one senator gives a firewall against new states being added and packing courts two would be better. Putting hyper scrutiny on all voting in Georgia from the first main-in to the last poll vote. Conspiracy - I don't go along with any of those sites, they just throw crap out no proof. Proof - To convict I personally need hard, definable, undeniable proof with the documentation as should everyone, I will say it would be interesting if we took a grand jury made up from random draws of all the US, presented the known information and see what comes out of it. Grand Jury's and Jury's have uncommon sense that's why lawyers work so hard to know the psychologically. Given what we have a Grand Jury might send to a court who knows too many in the tank DA's and Governors including some repubs. I am not a fence sitter or on Knee Pads, the Doxing I may or may not receive is like water off a ducks back to me, I have an honest difference of opinion on how the issue at this point should be attacked. I'm pragmatic (again see Jefferson Quotes - a very brilliant and wise man, his quotes just show nothing really changes just time. human nature, politics, and lust for power and control has been there since the Good Lord breathed life into Adam and Eve.) Times really have not changed nor people just the methods used to subvert freedom and thought. IF I end up wrong about all of this and the President prevails, I'll say I was wrong and be very happy to do it and I'll prepare for the leftist riots that would certainly follow the flip and we will all be prepared for continuing growth as a county under Trump's second term. |
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Post by fiddlingone on Dec 2, 2020 15:24:48 GMT -5
I did and even referenced it in my post. I still think you guys misunderstand my position on all of this, do I think crap went on? Yes I do and on a large scale. So what's the problem? There is no defined hard evidence at the moment of defined votes and who produced them, only affidavits, powerful yes but proof to overturn no. There is Dominion - True but again you have to have machine access so the experts can look at the programming and fingerprints that may have been erased. All we have now is definite trends from an uber expert compelling but not definitive. Defined probabilities and statistics - the problem here is its math based on the circumstances, granted a quadrillion to one chance of Biden doing what he did, where he did, and when he did is extremely convincing to me but to a Judge that isn't anxious about overturning an election it just makes his head explode because he has to write his decision, hence they say the folk have no standing or insufficient specific data, or not enough to turn over the election, the fact that they will not let you randomly sample machines and ballots to test the issue is a moot point, to a Judge who's worried about making a decision. I believe that the President should take this as far as he legally can. He has to do it legally otherwise he's no better then the crooks that did this. I believe he should push to toughen up at least the Federal Voting requirement with regard to mail ins, proof of being the recipient, and sending the vote, making sure all components including envelop of the mail in are preserved, signature validation or fingerprint ID if they can't write , presenting ID at the polls, automatic concurrent audit with the vote will reps of all parties present, (I suggest using a vegas observation system those dudes got it down cold. Even if he doesn't retain office getting that done is part of a great legacy and at the end of the day good for all voting citizens Georgia - I believe that should be the focus of the electorate now, even one senator gives a firewall against new states being added and packing courts two would be better. Putting hyper scrutiny on all voting in Georgia from the first main-in to the last poll vote. Conspiracy - I don't go along with any of those sites, they just throw crap out no proof. Proof - To convict I personally need hard, definable, undeniable proof with the documentation as should everyone, I will say it would be interesting if we took a grand jury made up from random draws of all the US, presented the known information and see what comes out of it. Grand Jury's and Jury's have uncommon sense that's why lawyers work so hard to know the psychologically. Given what we have a Grand Jury might send to a court who knows too many in the tank DA's and Governors including some repubs. I am not a fence sitter or on Knee Pads, the Doxing I may or may not receive is like water off a ducks back to me, I have an honest difference of opinion on how the issue at this point should be attacked. I'm pragmatic (again see Jefferson Quotes - a very brilliant and wise man, his quotes just show nothing really changes just time. human nature, politics, and lust for power and control has been there since the Good Lord breathed life into Adam and Eve.) Times really have not changed nor people just the methods used to subvert freedom and thought. IF I end up wrong about all of this and the President prevails, I'll say I was wrong and be very happy to do it and I'll prepare for the leftist riots that would certainly follow the flip and we will all be prepared for continuing growth as a county under Trump's second term. I think I understand your position a lot better than you think. I don't think you and I are all that far apart, but I do think I'm much more fearful of the possibility of the results a bad outcome than you are. With failure of Trump winning, I see a strong possibilty of EO type things that could prohibit reliable future remedy. |
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Post by Katman on Dec 2, 2020 16:01:22 GMT -5
Trump will be president, that hurdle will be taller for many because our MSM media is corrupt.
OAN and Newsmax and Epoch Times can be relied on for truth.
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