Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 1, 2005 0:09:27 GMT -5
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Post by mountainmutt on Sept 2, 2022 11:31:35 GMT -5
How important is player retention in college basketball?
33 of the 40 players who started in the last two Final Fours were in their respective programs the season prior.
Note: Data taken from Jon Rothstein.
We DD Brothers have known this to be true for a decade. Cal and K have proven this year after year since 2010 except for the outliers 2012 and 2015. Both are renowned coaches, who have filled NBA rosters year after year, but have failed to win championships even though on can easily make the case that either Duke or Kentucky had the most talented roster in 10 of the past 11 seasons. I think the Villanova Team that beat UNC for the title may have been the best team that season.
The value of experience and a fully developed body.(usually men gain bulk and power naturally with heavy workouts or with hard labor up to about age 35. After 35 hard work and that steroids are required to maintain or develop more strength and bulk.)
As a bar room bouncer and cage fighter, I can tell you with 100% confidence that a boy cannot whip a man.
For example:
A 25 year old man will in 99% of cases will whip the shit out two 18 year old boys and size does not have a lot to do with.
A 35 year man will in 90% of cases, will whip the shit out of a 25 year old man in real world fight where there are no rules except hurt your opponent.
A 45 to 50 year man with 25 real bar fights or more under will in 90% of cases will whip the shit out of a 35 year old man in real world fight where are no rules except hurt your opponent, this conflict involve a bloody mess, with weapons at least 75% of the time, ambulance rides and the police involved.
Men over 50 year with 25 real bar fights or more under will in 99.9% of cases will whip the shit out of just about anyone, except maybe another old man. The conflict will involve a bloody mess, with weapons nearly 100% of the time , an ambulance or hearse ride, police involvement and often coroner involvement.
A man over 50 that has a lifetime of fighting experience will not take an ass whipping from a younger man, he will seriously injury him (usually a blunt object strike to the head or in the case of very experienced fighters a deep slice across the body at the belly line resulting in guts hitting the floor, a very effective but usually non fatal injury, you just stick the guts back inside and go to the emergency room for some seamstress work) or in other cases a gun is drawn and the young man is left lying on the floor mortally wounded or dead as a stone.
A warning to young punk muscled up want to be bad, punks, don't f%@! with crusty old men. A old man especially an old man who has had a lot of fighting experience in bars, jails, prisons, or the military, will kill you in a heart beat without saying a word, with no regrets or remorse. Doing so is an is instinctual action and completely justified by the CODE or the "Law of The Land" which is completely different than the "Penal Code".
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on Sept 2, 2022 11:46:53 GMT -5
...this ryecheer.....Kentucky is a legitimate contender with no gaping holes or obvious flaws other than perhaps Cal's ability to manage close games against good teams during the last 5 minutes of the game....the quote by Mutt is foremost the reason why Cal has only one championship in his career....(yap, dastardly refs, but see uconn, kansas whilst at memphis, and the wisc debacle that will hurt for a long, long time....)...cal just for a 9 million dolla man does NOT make good decisions to close out a game...JMO...
...secondly, ryecheer...Hell, I could go on with the great set plays that can be run from underneath your own basket, why Cal does not take advantage of this opportunity befuddles me...this quote from Mutt i also agree with...cal has to KNOW offense to carry out the inbound plays...hell, it doesn't have to be underneath your own basket, there have been lots of times we couldn't even get the ball in during a press with 3 guards...........a 9 million dolla man gots to do better than that......jmo
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 1, 2005 0:09:27 GMT -5
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Post by mountainmutt on Sept 2, 2022 12:21:16 GMT -5
I like this years roster. There are 4 or 5 highly skilled players with 4 or 5 years of college experience. Kentucky is a legitimate contender with no gaping holes or obvious flaws other than perhaps Cal's ability to manage close games against good teams during the last 5 minutes of the game.
Down the stretch, good coaches have a very strict set of rules that the players must adhere to their ass hits the pine. Cal, likes to take the air out of the ball which only results in bad shot selection. He also needs to improve his players shot selection in general and especially in tight games down the stretch.
My down the stretch rules would be:
1.) No stalling, the shot clock has eliminated the advantages that burning the clock used to provide. the team gets the ball down the floor as quickly as possible and begins running the set the coach calls with absolute precision. 2.) The team has three sets that have proven to be their most effective sets over the course of the season. They run nothing but these sets down the stretch.
3.) The best player gets a touch out of the called set in the location on the floor from which he is most effective. No one takes a shot other than a layup until the best player has touched the ball.
4.) There is one exception to rule number 3. If during that specific game, a player other than the best player has successfully established a huge matchup up advantage, the ball goes to that player until he is fails to score out of the matchup at which rule number 3 is reestablished.
5.) Every good coach has at least 3 set plays designed to score off inbounds plays underneath their own basket. that are practiced in excruciating detail every day. He will always run these plays down the stretch.
Cal for some reason, does not run plays to score in this particular situation. He almost always throws the ball over the defense to the point guard who of course is open because he is near the center line because he wants to set up and initiate a half court set.
IMO this is a dumb move on Cal's behalf.
Think about it, there is no reason to execute a half court set to get the ball inside. The referee hands the ball off to the in bounder who is positioned three feet down the baseline from the backboard in an ideal location to run a paly for an easy basket. Smart coaches put the ball in the hands of their best passer, who is basically unguarded, the defender cannot get any closer than the baseline and the defender cannot touch the ball. The offensive player can back off the baseline up to 3 feet to receive the ball providing excellent spacing and passing lanes. The four guys out on the floor have 5 seconds to make cuts and set screens to to create a good passing lane to a high effeiciency scoring location on the floor. Out of bounds underneath your own basket should result in getting a great shot about 90% of the time. It is the most difficult play in the game to defend. Cal, needs to gain an understanding of this basketball fact. 6) A good coach will also have 3 plays for inbounding the ball at half court and from underneath the opposition's basket when there is one second on the clock, 3 to 5 seconds on the clock, more than 5 seconds on the clock. These plays will be practiced every day with extreme emphasis on perfect screening, cutting, passing and positioning of every player a clock running and a horn sounding.
About 70 percent of game winning shots as time expires are made on second attempts. Therefore in these late game situations, you are not only running plays to get your best shooter the ball in his favorite location but also to position your best rebounders in good rebounding position. This requires good screening, hard cutting and strong positioning.
7) Passing. Not just down the stretch but in general Cal needs to spend more time teaching how to pass the ball. The quality of the pass to a shooter plays a huge role in how effectively he shoots the ball.
8) Outside Shooting in general, I have come to believe that 5 of the reasons that Kentucky has regularly been a poor outside shooting team under Cal are:
1) The floor position of the passer making the pass to the shooter, inside out passes to the corners, 45 degree line from the basket and to the 3 line are the most effective.
2) Floor position of the shooter when he receives the ball, An emphasis should be getting the shooter the ball in his most efficient shooting locations on the floor.
3) The quality of the pass received by the shooter, the ball should be passed directly into the shooting pocket, which allows the shooter to immediately step into his shooting motion.
4) The quality of the set plays Cal runs to get a shooter free, there seems to be a lack of understanding especially by the perimeter players, on how to set and hold a screen.
5) Cal tends to get too deep into the shot clock to initiate plays to free 3 shooters resulting in rushed shots.
6) Cal needs to limit who is free to shoot 3's. Only guys that shoot over 35% should be allowed to attempt 3's. Especially late in the game.
This year's roster has the best combination of talent, depth and experience that Kentucky has had under Cal. They are very good, but there are 3 or 4 other extremely good teams. It is a strong year for college basketball. The strongest since 2015 when there were 3 or 4 excellent teams.
Kentucky can win number 9, but to do so, the late game management on behalf of our coach must be better than it has been in the past.
They will be an exciting group to watch. I look forward to it.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Sept 2, 2022 12:24:47 GMT -5
This 66 year old is wise enough to take Smith and Wesson with me to mediate any issues.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 1, 2005 0:09:27 GMT -5
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Post by mountainmutt on Sept 2, 2022 20:28:39 GMT -5
You are damn straight Katman. In the USA a man has a constitutional right to defend himself, his family and his home.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Sept 2, 2022 20:49:08 GMT -5
uK will never again reach a ncaaT final four with begok as head coach.
A simple TRUTH that must be accepted, based on the reality of events since 2012.
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Sept 2, 2022 21:14:58 GMT -5
You are damn straight Katman. In the USA a man has a constitutional right to defend himself, his family and his home. Faith Family and Freedom. To keep them, you better get to know Smith and Wesson real well.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 21, 2002 21:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by chatycaty on Sept 5, 2022 10:19:01 GMT -5
As already said, we have the pieces to be a serious championship contender, if we only had a coach with half a brain we would be in business.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 27, 2006 8:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by catzcan on Sept 6, 2022 7:18:07 GMT -5
I don’t think Cal has a philosophy other than money.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 1, 2005 0:09:27 GMT -5
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Post by mountainmutt on Sept 6, 2022 11:20:55 GMT -5
I like the talent size and experience of this years bball Cats.
How they mix with each other,the lack of selfishness, the bball IQ, the work ethic, how much they improve from October to March.
These are unknowns but all are vital to winning a championship.
The ability or willingness of our coach to change some of his habits and bench work is unknown.
Again, we already know the Cal that has been the coach since 2010 has choked in some big NCAA tournament games. He has done so with the best team in most of his tournament losses.
He surely knows that he has lost several games by himself by taking the air out of the ball too soon, by not having a star system designed to feed the star the ball in crunch time, not taking advantage of inbound plays which amounts 6 to 8 points alone, insisting on playing switch on ball screens even when the opposing coach is clearing using that strategy to create mismatches. Not going to zone when playing a team of brick layers, not pounding the ball inside when he clearly has a mismatch. Shot selection.
These are the little things that separate a championship team from a very good team.
He is smart enough to figure these little glitches out,
It is true that UK has been reffed out of a couple of games and they have fairly consistently shot free throws poorly in big losses.
But, good execution and intense hustle create luck and overcome refs.
This is the first time really since 2015 (2020 was a good squad, but not as good or deep) that Kentucky is a big notch above all but two or three other teams talent wise.
Houston Kansas UNC
Are right there with Kentucky with premium size, skill, depth and experience. Either of those 3 could win the damn thing without surprising anyone.
Houston is the best coached team in the country and he has his kind of roster this season. Big bodied bangers that rebound, defend and control tempo.
Carolina lost Noone and picked up some primo talent.
Kansas is like usual a big talented team with good guards and big inside bangers.
Duke Arkansas UCLA
Are not far behind.
Duke is as talented as any team in the country but they are freshman oriented. They have the best pro prospect in the Lively kid. You can count them out.
This is not like the 2012 season when UK was a lot better than every.
Cal will have to coach his ass off and the kids will have respond if UK reaches their potential.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Sept 6, 2022 12:24:49 GMT -5
Mutt posted-- "He(begok--my addition) is smart enough to figure these little glitches out,"
Since when has begok "figured out and CHANGED the glitches? *only NO zone defense---yep--no change *no inbounds play except toss it to a non scorer forward---same old pathetic in bounds every time *always slooooooo ball down the stretch and cause late shot lock poor shots *Ignore mismatches and leave it to players to make poor decisions--Towns vs Harrisons--wheeler crazy, etc *use short bench and fail to "wear out" inferior foes *play "favorites" and ignore superior talent on bench *plays afraid to LOSE in late stages *continues to have problems against zone defenses---because he never uses a zone--pathetic *eats available time outs and fails to have a set play in win/loss situations-- *plays bicklayers hoping to win with DEFENSE
Nothing since the Cousins/Wall team has indicated begok is gonna CHANGE anything. begok is set in old ways, devoid of ability/desire to change, and satisfied with being a social activist with little to zero concern with winning another ncaaT title. begok blew it in 2015---now social activism such as blm scams are of major significance.
begok will never make another ncaaT final four as head coach---he is satisfied, lazy and has other priorities.
CHANGE from begok---surely you jest!!
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 21, 2002 21:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by chatycaty on Sept 6, 2022 17:29:07 GMT -5
Suggesting Donut can figure out those little glitches is about as likely as a hog figuring out a pocket watch.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on Sept 6, 2022 17:46:53 GMT -5
Mutt posted-- "He(begok--my addition) is smart enough to figure these little glitches out," Since when has begok "figured out and CHANGED the glitches?*only zone defense---yep--no change *no inbounds play except toss it to a non scorer forward---same old pathetic in bounds every time *always slooooooo ball down the stretch and cause late shot lock poor shots *Ignore mismatches and leave it to players to make poor decisions--Towns vs Harrisons--wheeler crazy, etc *use short bench and fail to "wear out" inferior foes *play "favorites" and ignore superior talent on bench *plays afraid to LOSE in late stages *continues to have problems against zone defenses---because he never uses a zone--pathetic *eats available time outs and fails to have a set play in win/loss situations-- *plays bicklayers hoping to win with DEFENSE Nothing since the Cousins/Wall team has indicated begok is gonna CHANGE anything. begok is set in old ways, devoid of ability/desire to change, and satisfied with being a social activist with little to zero concern with winning another ncaaT title. begok blew it in 2015---now social activism such as blm scams are of major significance. begok will never make another ncaaT final four as head coach---he is satisfied, lazy and has other priorities. CHANGE from begok---surely you jest!! rr ...i mean, who can refute the above post?....pls do so if you can!......great post RR....................................................................
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 1, 2005 0:09:27 GMT -5
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Post by mountainmutt on Sept 7, 2022 16:40:03 GMT -5
Boys all we can do is hope Cal figures a few obvious things out.
1) Wallace is 10 times the pg that Wheeler is. It won't matter against anyone except the elite teams. But Wheeler is too damn small to guard the 6-3 NBA bound point guards. He also has a tendency to get too deep into the lane and get trapped.
No player in college ball will beat Wallace to the hole, he won't get trapped either. He will power right through a trap. Wheeler can help in short spells. He is a good transition guard that can add a spark. He just can't be our primary pg against good teams.
Oscar needs to be fed a continuous diet of leather in the paint. There is Noone in college ball that can defend him once he gets the ball on the block.
I think Toppen may be a tough match up as well. He has gained a lot of strength and has a nice soft touch from 15 ft in. He and Oscar should be killer in the high low.
I think Reeves and Livingston are also two long athletic wing players that have sprinter speed, good ball handling skills and can shoot the 3.
Livingston looks like he may also be a man taking the ball to the hole.
Wallace 6-3 220 Toppen 6-11 225 Oscar 6-9 260 Livingston 6-8 225 Reeves 6-7 210
That is a big college ball lineup that is composed of elite athleticism and some solid skillsets.
All three guards can shoot it which is unusual for UK.
Toppen also shoots it well.
We have some quality depth behind those 5.
Collins- is still too weak but he has the athleticism, length and skillset to create some mismatches against top competition.
Wheeler can give us 12 minutes of Pepi Lopez per game which can lead to some big runs.
Frederick if healthy gives us a zone buster deluxe. His PT will be determined by his defense.
Ware gives you 10 minutes of hell. A true banger and he has high potential to be an enforcer which you have to have.
Kingsley is my pick as being the Surprise. He is huge, has great feet , gifted timing and a big verticle. He is going to allow us to rest Oscar without being dominated on the boards or pounded in the paint. That will prove to be a major asset. Kingsley is a grown ass man. He likes defense and contact. That bodes well for the Cats.
All we can hope for is that Cal won't screw the pooch.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Sept 7, 2022 17:32:55 GMT -5
begok will NEVER change--begok has proven he is a LOSER with social activism his highest priority.
blm is a SCAM---$$$$$ used for personal gain--begok swallowed their scam,--hook, line and sinker--because blmbrooks led HIM into the morass of EVIL.
begok will never again make a ncaaT final four as head coach--he is finished!!
rr
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