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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 14, 2023 12:54:18 GMT -5
What happens when shit finally happens and it's ww3.
What happens in a conventional war and a nuclear/bio war.
Who wins a conventional war and what would be the aftermath? and what do you all really think a Nuclear war here would look like?
IMO a conventional war the west wins rather easily if united ( this could change in 10 years at Chinas growth rate). If its just the US vs Russia/China then the west would lose. You can't just Occupy China or Russia they are too massive so it likely just ends in some wort of stalemate being called with the loser being the one giving most of the concessions. Curious at to what would West do when/if it essentially won and vice versa if Russia / China won - would they actually try to Occupy the US or be content having under boot? Would US/Euro try to topple the CCP and Putin government and insert a West friendly regime?
If a Nuclear war erupts. Would it be a strict rule only military establishments would be targeted or massive cities fair game? Would in the aftermath Africa and South America be the new places to rule the world from that rubble as neither continent would really be targeted.
Just curious as the way things are going its not far fetched this happens next 5 years. So who would win in these senerios and what would the fallout from both look like?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 21, 2019 12:37:12 GMT -5
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Post by fiddlingone on Mar 14, 2023 13:37:59 GMT -5
It will take someone smarter and more informed than me to answer that question. Add in the possibility of a wildcard regime (Iran or others) nuking someone. There are no rules in war, especially with renegades. All I can control is me and circumstances might well limit or nullify that. Be prepared just in case.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 14, 2023 14:22:24 GMT -5
WAR is the source of wealth for politicians, generals and bankers!!
Ukraine is important to maintain the flow of $$$ into their coffers.
Full scale all out war is used to SCARE, create FEAR and maintain control of the woke masses.
Vietnam--Afghanistan--Ukraine---all used for wealth generators of EVIL doers!!
No WWIII---just rhetoric and scare tactics.
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 14, 2023 15:27:51 GMT -5
WAR is the source of wealth for politicians, generals and bankers!! Ukraine is important to maintain the flow of $$$ into their coffers. Full scale all out war is used to SCARE, create FEAR and maintain control of the woke masses. Vietnam--Afghanistan--Ukraine---all used for wealth generators of EVIL doers!! No WWIII---just rhetoric and scare tactics. rr I asked this question with you and Riley in mind to answer it figured you all might give the best answer. I understand you think a ww3 senerio is just rhetoric. I respect that and am encouraged by that take. My question is if if if it did happen how do you think war an aftermath would get played out if we won or they won? |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 14, 2023 15:52:55 GMT -5
NUKES seem stupid for all---except the iranian stoneage dumbasses. All the rest are aware there are NO WINNERS with big nukes. small tactical nukes would be for FEAR--and one used an area becomes inhabitable for years and years.
Taiwan will NOT be a reason for nuclear war--maybe no war at all---but does china know what to do with it if they invade? Can they invade, without major casualties? Hong Kong was easy, since the English days were over and so many failed to realize the impact of chinese communist control. That was easy--and no arms to contend with.
Taiwan can do damage, and major DESTRUCTION of Taiwan leaves the commies with nothing of value--except more slaves for their fields. Taiwan has electronics--but does anyone think they will turn over their assets to their invaders? Not without major destruction.
So--the question is--will the WESTERN countries come to the aid of Taiwan--with SOLDIERS? I say NO!! Europe barely supports Ukraine--in their own backyard. So, no real support(maybe NONE) for Taiwan. The germans would see an opportunity to replace Taiwan as the big source of chips and computers and technology--so not likey to help. The french would supply "WHITE Flags", and the rest of Europe would cower in a corner. Australia will stay away, hoping no invasion by the commies.
So, the US will meow and bark--talk sanctions--and the chinese will laugh. We would be without drugs(the pharmacy kind) and tons of other NEEDS if we create too much turmoil--so nothing but blather at the UN--meaningless rhetoric.
The russia/ukraine debacle could be readily resolved with constructive open minded discussion moderated by "HONEST" brokers--but the US has no such entity today and the germans are so dependent on imported OIL they are uselesss. the UN is a group of bloated idiots--so who moderates a cease fire and resolves the issue---TRUMP of course--but he is almost 2 years away.
NO world war---continuation of the ukraine MONEY laundry--and some form of overture directed at Taiwan, but more talk than substance from the commies. what do they do if their incursion into Taiwan is like the putin idiocy over all ukraine.
The kindling is all in place to start a fire--but pouring starter fluid and lighting the fire may cause more problems than expected--even if the world watches from afar. China is winning the war of global producer---with 2 more years of senile staggering about, why create something that may become a quagmire for ages?
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 21, 2019 12:37:12 GMT -5
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Post by fiddlingone on Mar 14, 2023 16:16:16 GMT -5
Certainly a plausible possibility RR and well thought out. The odds are with you, but there are just so many turns in the road that I can't feel comfortable.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Mar 14, 2023 16:33:19 GMT -5
What happens when shit finally happens and it's ww3. What happens in a conventional war and a nuclear/bio war. Who wins a conventional war and what would be the aftermath? and what do you all really think a Nuclear war here would look like? IMO a conventional war the west wins rather easily if united ( this could change in 10 years at Chinas growth rate). If its just the US vs Russia/China then the west would lose. You can't just Occupy China or Russia they are too massive so it likely just ends in some wort of stalemate being called with the loser being the one giving most of the concessions. Curious at to what would West do when/if it essentially won and vice versa if Russia / China won - would they actually try to Occupy the US or be content having under boot? Would US/Euro try to topple the CCP and Putin government and insert a West friendly regime? If a Nuclear war erupts. Would it be a strict rule only military establishments would be targeted or massive cities fair game? Would in the aftermath Africa and South America be the new places to rule the world from that rubble as neither continent would really be targeted. Just curious as the way things are going its not far fetched this happens next 5 years. So who would win in these senerios and what would the fallout from both look like? No shot of war with Trump in office. With him Not in office, talk of WW3. Trump would have this settled quickly and everyone knows it. We all deserve to parish if we do. Nobody in their right mind believes this President that was SELECTED actually won. Just morons and idiots. By the way, China does occupy the U.S with the corrupt politicians in Washington. Biden, McConnel, Schiff, Swalwell Schumer, Pelosi, Obama, Bush, Bush, Clinton, Clinton MANY MANY MORE, EVERYONE involved should be made to stand before the American people and profess their crimes. Then be executed. Who would win Nuclear war.....NO-ONE, Total destruction sans the ones in military dumbs. Life on Earth will cease to exist as we know it. Nuclear winter. Death everywhere. Elections have consequences. But the one thing this fake Administration has NEVER mentioned, SPACE FORCE. Is all part of the plan to save humanity. There is a plan, you don't believe it. If there was no plan, the Chinese would already have rolled in here physically. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 14, 2023 17:33:28 GMT -5
Only winners of a Nuclear war would be South America and all of sub Sahara Africa. They would rule the rubble.
On Taiwan I know we are building g chip factories as fast as we can in Arizona and I think Ohio. I do alot of business with one of the contractors and he's told is they are going atca break neck pace round the clock.
What we also need is factories to make our own medicines. We get back production of Pharm and semi conductors then we don't need China. There's still other shit but those are the 2 we can't live without.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Mar 14, 2023 18:24:44 GMT -5
With Trump we would have businesses like crazy coming to America.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on Mar 14, 2023 18:52:47 GMT -5
...i'm surprised, Streets, you didn't mention South Korea in your sidings... ...surely an astute military planner/official from china/russia realizes what a military industrial juggernaut that Japan and South Korea can/would turn into should a #3 happen...for they are truly the worker ants of the world....just that aspect alone should come into play should the commies want to start something.... ...china/russia/middle east commies always start to flex whenever there's weakness in the white house.....(see iran holding us hostage for 444 days under Jimmy, then release them the day Unka Ronnie comes in).....weakness makes them want to see how far they can flex/see what they can get away with.... ...china/russia/middle east commies, if you look at their geography, are pinned in with really only one coast...USA/Japan/Aussie have both sides open for any maneuvers they see fit... ...believe that china/russia/iran knows they can't win a short war....letting iran get nuclear weapons is their wild card...let you figger out just why obamer gave them pallets of us taxpayers cash and let them start up their nuke program.....obamer was/is/will be a marxist forever.... ..a long war comes down to logistics....we can replenish in flight jets..don't know for sure if china/russia can do that under pressure...we can replenish USS ships underway be it beans, bullets, or gas.....don't know if the commies have the replenishment capabilities that the US has at home or abroad... ...china/russia knows we have the intel/capability to put them in the hole pretty quickly.... ...my only worry is one of the china/russia/iran idiots let go of a nuke bomb...we all lose then.....and on the other hand, we win a long/short war...no doubt in my mind.... ...all of this is IMHO...lived in Japan for over 8 1/2 years...on ships in western pacific for over 6 1/2 long years(prison  ), and pulled into various South Korean ports over 15 times (bar honeys are ALL business)...if it's a ww3, i'll be dam glad that Japan and South Korea is on our side....they have the industrial capability at the ready with worker ants....no one, IMHO, has that capability in Europe as those two... ...ok, i'm just yaking on and on....all this JMO....someone who graduated from a War College might read this and laugh, but then again, maybe they wouldn't.... |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Mar 14, 2023 19:08:28 GMT -5
Most haven't figured out, WW3 has been going on for 7 years. Different Battlefields.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 14, 2023 19:37:43 GMT -5
...i'm surprised, Streets, you didn't mention South Korea in your sidings... ...surely an astute military planner/official from china/russia realizes what a military industrial juggernaut that Japan and South Korea can/would turn into should a #3 happen...for they are truly the worker ants of the world....just that aspect alone should come into play should the commies want to start something.... ...china/russia/middle east commies always start to flex whenever there's weakness in the white house.....(see iran holding us hostage for 444 days under Jimmy, then release them the day Unka Ronnie comes in).....weakness makes them want to see how far they can flex/see what they can get away with.... ...china/russia/middle east commies, if you look at their geography, are pinned in with really only one coast...USA/Japan/Aussie have both sides open for any maneuvers they see fit... ...believe that china/russia/iran knows they can't win a short war....letting iran get nuclear weapons is their wild card...let you figger out just why obamer gave them pallets of us taxpayers cash and let them start up their nuke program.....obamer was/is/will be a marxist forever.... ..a long war comes down to logistics....we can replenish in flight jets..don't know for sure if china/russia can do that under pressure...we can replenish USS ships underway be it beans, bullets, or gas.....don't know if the commies have the replenishment capabilities that the US has at home or abroad... ...china/russia knows we have the intel/capability to put them in the hole pretty quickly.... ...my only worry is one of the china/russia/iran idiots let go of a nuke bomb...we all lose then.....and on the other hand, we win a long/short war...no doubt in my mind.... ...all of this is IMHO...lived in Japan for over 8 1/2 years...on ships in western pacific for over 6 1/2 long years(prison ), and pulled into various South Korean ports over 15 times (bar honeys are ALL business)...if it's a ww3, i'll be dam glad that Japan and South Korea is on our side....they have the industrial capability at the ready with worker ants....no one, IMHO, has that capability in Europe as those two... ...ok, i'm just yaking on and on....all this JMO....someone who graduated from a War College might read this and laugh, but then again, maybe they wouldn't.... Outstanding analysis from one who had been THERE!! Great take Riley!! rr |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 14, 2023 20:00:13 GMT -5
...i'm surprised, Streets, you didn't mention South Korea in your sidings... ...surely an astute military planner/official from china/russia realizes what a military industrial juggernaut that Japan and South Korea can/would turn into should a #3 happen...for they are truly the worker ants of the world....just that aspect alone should come into play should the commies want to start something.... ...china/russia/middle east commies always start to flex whenever there's weakness in the white house.....(see iran holding us hostage for 444 days under Jimmy, then release them the day Unka Ronnie comes in).....weakness makes them want to see how far they can flex/see what they can get away with.... ...china/russia/middle east commies, if you look at their geography, are pinned in with really only one coast...USA/Japan/Aussie have both sides open for any maneuvers they see fit... ...believe that china/russia/iran knows they can't win a short war....letting iran get nuclear weapons is their wild card...let you figger out just why obamer gave them pallets of us taxpayers cash and let them start up their nuke program.....obamer was/is/will be a marxist forever.... ..a long war comes down to logistics....we can replenish in flight jets..don't know for sure if china/russia can do that under pressure...we can replenish USS ships underway be it beans, bullets, or gas.....don't know if the commies have the replenishment capabilities that the US has at home or abroad... ...china/russia knows we have the intel/capability to put them in the hole pretty quickly.... ...my only worry is one of the china/russia/iran idiots let go of a nuke bomb...we all lose then.....and on the other hand, we win a long/short war...no doubt in my mind.... ...all of this is IMHO...lived in Japan for over 8 1/2 years...on ships in western pacific for over 6 1/2 long years(prison ), and pulled into various South Korean ports over 15 times (bar honeys are ALL business)...if it's a ww3, i'll be dam glad that Japan and South Korea is on our side....they have the industrial capability at the ready with worker ants....no one, IMHO, has that capability in Europe as those two... ...ok, i'm just yaking on and on....all this JMO....someone who graduated from a War College might read this and laugh, but then again, maybe they wouldn't.... good stuff. SK I would think would hold off till last minute beibg sandwiched by enemies also they would have hands full with NK. Japan ww would have to release the restrictions and let them build their military out. That may be an issue doen the road but Japan's GDP is massive/their tech is highest level/and they utterly hate China. SK would be great to have they are kind of screwed with location n will have to deal with NK first anyway. Israel would be huge with Iran their military is likely p4p best in world. In Europe they should be able to handle Russia alone but to that you need to release restrictions on Germany to re build its military in mass . That might be opening pandoras box but might be needed. Germany is the real Europe powerhouse army or not with their GDP an tech. My only concern in a conventional war would be the sheer amount of bodies China can throw at it and the manufacturing ability to arm n feed them. Hope no seneriod ever get to be played out tho.. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 21, 2019 12:37:12 GMT -5
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Post by fiddlingone on Mar 14, 2023 20:07:41 GMT -5
Very good Riley. I was also thinking of South Korea when I mentioned Iran. You were around them a lot more than me. The ones I was around could be pretty cruel. Was I just around the wrong ones? How do you see it?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 15, 2023 9:15:16 GMT -5
Curious would you all be okay with releasing the restrictions on Germany an Japan ? In event of a war with Chiussia
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), and pulled into various South Korean ports over 15 times (bar honeys are ALL business)...if it's a ww3, i'll be dam glad that Japan and South Korea is on our side....they have the industrial capability at the ready with worker ants....no one, IMHO, has that capability in Europe as those two...