Became a Dynasty Defender: Jul 8, 2005 14:34:39 GMT -5
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Post by banjo on Feb 5, 2012 9:42:58 GMT -5
I didn't get to watch the game live but came back home about the time it was going off and watched it on the DVR with some company. My cousin and her dad came by my house and watched it she is home from VA. I told them last night that this team may not win #8 but I believed that they was probably the best all around team that we have had at KY. Now here is where I am going to start an argument which was the best team the 78 team or the 96 team or this years team. In my opinion the 78 team was better than 96. I am going to list most of the player on 78 and 96 teams all but freshmen. 78 JACK GIVENS---RICK ROBEY----KYLE MACY----JAMES LEE---MIKE PHILLIPS---- TRUMAN CLAYTOR----JAY SHIDLER---DWAYNE CASEY THE 96 TEAM----TONY DELK---ANTOINE WALKER--- WALTER MCCARTY---DEREK ANDERSON---RON MERCER---ANTHONY EPPS---JEFF SHEPERD- WHICH I BELIEVE WAS RED SHIRTED THAT YEAR.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on Feb 5, 2012 9:53:38 GMT -5
Today's players are bigger, stronger, and faster than years past, so I think the best way to compare teams of a different era is "How did they fare against their competition?".
On that basis, I choose the undefeated 1954 team which featured 3 first round NBA picks (when there were many less teams). Two of those guys are now NBA HOF'ers and if memory serves, the avearge margin of victory was a little over 24 ppg. They didn't participate in the NCAA tournie, but defeated the eventual champs in the regular season by 13.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 14, 2002 7:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by ironhorse on Feb 5, 2012 12:43:49 GMT -5
I really loved the '78 team. They could shoot,they were big,and they averaged 84 points a game WITHOUT a 3 point shot.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Feb 5, 2012 13:06:24 GMT -5
The 78 team would beat the 96 team played under the 1978 rules. They might even beat them playing under the 1996 rules.
The 1978 team could play in any era. This team would rival either of them if they could stay togehter 2 or 3 years.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 14, 2002 7:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by ironhorse on Feb 5, 2012 13:18:44 GMT -5
Pitino would have a serious match up problem against the '78 team. Robey and Phillips would own the lane. Macy was a true floor general,that could shoot. Claytor and Schidler were shooters and fundamentally solid.. Big James Lee was another match up nightmare....Givens played a lot bigger than 6'4" he could shread a defense.
It would depend on the rules, shot clock or use the 3 point line.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jul 8, 2005 14:34:39 GMT -5
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Post by banjo on Feb 5, 2012 13:21:10 GMT -5
JD I agree with you guys. I also believe the 78 team could beat the 96 team with the 96 rules. How many points would Kyle Macy have scored had there been a 3 point line. and what about J Shidler I believe his nickname was the blond bomber is that right or not. Robey and Phillips were tough as nails in fact if I remember correctly Dean Smith called one of them a SOB in a game that we were played in UNC own house. Oh hell don't forget about Jack Givens and his I believe 41 in the 78 finals and James Lee the enforcer the best 6th man.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 27, 2006 8:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by catzcan on Feb 5, 2012 13:22:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't say one was better than the other but 78 will always be my favorite. I was 14 when they won that championship--the first NC of my lifetime. Givens was my hero!!
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 14, 2002 7:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by ironhorse on Feb 5, 2012 13:26:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't say one was better than the other but 78 will always be my favorite. I was 14 when they won that championship--the first NC of my lifetime. Givens was my hero!! Me too.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Feb 5, 2012 13:35:54 GMT -5
James Lee "cleaned up" a number of dirty tactic issues utilized by lowlifes like what has been used against Anthony Davis. Joe just sent James in to "get things in order"--and ORDER was quickly restored.
No one messed with Robey or Lee--or Jay Shidler for that matter. All assured basketball was played, and summo wrestling or worse remained off the hardwood.
The 1978 group beats the 96 team--and THIS team. They could handle all sorts of foes, and all styles of play. NO shot clock--NO easy 3 pointer, yet scored 84ppg.
AND they were BIG!!!
The 53/54 undefeated team, 25-0, beat foes by an average of 27ppg--the all time UK record. Hagan and Ramsey are in the HOF. Tsioropoulos played 3 seasons with Boston, when not many teams existed. That undefeated team was the MOST superior dominate team of any UK team--in their respective era.
My favorite UK team remains "Rupps Runts"!!
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Feb 5, 2012 13:38:57 GMT -5
Pitino would have a serious match up problem against the '78 team. Robey and Phillips would own the lane. Macy was a true floor general,that could shoot. Claytor and Schidler were shooters and fundamentally solid.. Big James Lee was another match up nightmare....Givens played a lot bigger than 6'4" he could shread a defense. It would depend on the rules, shot clock or use the 3 point line. Played under the rules of '96 Pitino would try to run against that team. That would probably backfire. That '78 team could run. Seems like they averaged around 80 points a game without the shot claock or three point line. They were an awesome, talented team. The '96 team was faster, but they would have to get rebounds to run. I don't know where they would get rebound against Robey, Phillips and Lee. Macy, Jay S., Claytor and Johnson would have tore up the three point line. The '78 team would have a handful trying to guard Delk, Walker and Anderson. Mercer, to. If he played like he did in the '96 title game. Both great, great teams. Both only lost two games their championship year. The '96 teams' two losses were to final four teams, so they were indeed something special. That '78 team loss at Alabama was an ugly loss. The one at LSU was overtime best I remember. They were beaten soundly at Alabama. I'm going to test my memory here and say it seems the halftime score was Alabama 40-UK 20?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Feb 5, 2012 14:04:42 GMT -5
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 14, 2002 7:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by ironhorse on Feb 5, 2012 14:15:29 GMT -5
With a 3 point line,and a 35 second shot clock,the '78 tean could have easily averaged 90 per game.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Oct 9, 2009 0:22:49 GMT -5
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Post by isrichiegonnaplay on Feb 5, 2012 14:51:45 GMT -5
I'm too young to remember the 78 team but the 96 team is the best team I have ever seen. They would mop the floor with the UNLV teams of the early 90s. The 96 team would beat this team year's Ky team IMO.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on Feb 5, 2012 15:24:00 GMT -5
78 vs 96 would probably go into overtime. I just think that the 96 version would tire the big uns of 78 out eventually. Really hard to compare as they were two opposite constructed teams. 78 were bruisers, 96 were thoroughbreds. If I were to bet, it'd have to be the 96 team over the 78 team by a score of 98 to 92 in overtime.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Feb 5, 2012 15:43:11 GMT -5
Here are a few STATS for comparison;
1978 team--- 54.1%fg---75.9%ft---
Robey---63.5%fg---72%ft Givens---55.3%fg---76.1%ft Macy-----53.6%fg---89.1%ft Phillips---59.5%fg---75.9%ft Less------56.9%fg---74.3%ft Claytor---46.6%fg---77.4%ft Shidler----41.2%fg---85.2%ft
1996 team----48.7%fg----71.3%ft
The 78 team allowed 46.5% fg by foes. The 96 team allowed 41.5% fg by foes.
The 78 team averaged 84.2ppg-----no clock, no easy 3P. The 96 team averaged 91.4ppg.
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