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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on May 25, 2015 16:25:44 GMT -5
People will dismiss it for who he is but some decent topics are touched. I challenge the mass who are die hard righties here to dispute them with proof. While I am not Marxist or socialist even some things presented make sense. Also RR can you Youtube yourself watching this so I can literally watch your head explode frame by frame LOL www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHKFoqnc3Hg |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on May 25, 2015 18:17:00 GMT -5
Richard Wolff has a lot of Karl Marx in him...who you tryin' to fool around here?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on May 25, 2015 19:55:26 GMT -5
Richard Wolff has a lot of Karl Marx in him...who you tryin' to fool around here? Oh he is no doubt I think he says it himself that he's a Marxist. That doesn't make what he was saying in this clip any less true. Here's a question assuming you are Christian which I am pretty sure you are ... If Jesus came down from heaven and had to choose between Capitalism or Marxism which do you think he would choose - Capitalism or shared wealth Marxism ? just a question. Personally I don't know what system I prefer - being a business owner myself I am becoming more conservative than I have ever been so I am a bit of a hypocrite here but I recognize that Captitolism , Marxism, Communism, socialism all have good qualities and bad. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on May 26, 2015 9:21:55 GMT -5
streeter posted--
"but I recognize that Captitolism , Marxism, Communism, socialism all have good qualities and bad."
So---for the benefit of all readers, how about listing 5 GOOD things each-- of marxism, communism and socialism---for those who actually WORK, pay taxes, and do not depend on gubment for food, clothing, housing and fun.
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on May 26, 2015 12:25:45 GMT -5
streeter posted-- "but I recognize that Captitolism , Marxism, Communism, socialism all have good qualities and bad."So---for the benefit of all readers, how about listing 5 GOOD things each-- of marxism, communism and socialism---for those who actually WORK, pay taxes, and do not depend on gubment for food, clothing, housing and fun. rr As for socialism,communism , marxism which is really just the theory behind the first 2. The good is everyone is equal it's a true utopian philosophy if it actually worked. The bad it doesn't work as there's little motivation to Excell and too many chances for corruption which is why most end up in dictatorships. Capitalism the bad is the few have everything and the many are left with what the few will give them. The good it promotes advancement and striving to be better to get more .. based on greed but like gordon gecko said greed works. It is why capitol ism is the best economic model for an economy. IMO while I would prefer capitol ism to any other I think certain aspects of socialism should be mixed in. Like having workers wages increased when employers prof it increase , Healthcare for all, and increases in the minimum wage that would reflect inflation. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on May 26, 2015 12:27:00 GMT -5
streeter posted-- "but I recognize that Captitolism , Marxism, Communism, socialism all have good qualities and bad."So---for the benefit of all readers, how about listing 5 GOOD things each-- of marxism, communism and socialism---for those who actually WORK, pay taxes, and do not depend on gubment for food, clothing, housing and fun. rr also have you seen the video I posted watch it and go in with an open mind u might ding ur self agreeing with a marxist |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on May 26, 2015 13:38:04 GMT -5
streeter posted-- "but I recognize that Captitolism , Marxism, Communism, socialism all have good qualities and bad."So---for the benefit of all readers, how about listing 5 GOOD things each-- of marxism, communism and socialism---for those who actually WORK, pay taxes, and do not depend on gubment for food, clothing, housing and fun. rr As for socialism,communism , marxism which is really just the theory behind the first 2. The good is everyone is equal it's a true utopian philosophy if it actually worked. The bad it doesn't work as there's little motivation to Excell and too many chances for corruption which is why most end up in dictatorships. Capitalism the bad is the few have everything and the many are left with what the few will give them. The good it promotes advancement and striving to be better to get more .. based on greed but like gordon gecko said greed works. It is why capitol ism is the best economic model for an economy. IMO while I would prefer capitol ism to any other I think certain aspects of socialism should be mixed in. Like having workers wages increased when employers prof it increase , Healthcare for all, and increases in the minimum wage that would reflect inflation. Just curious, what is a fair profit? What happens if profits decrease? |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on May 26, 2015 13:54:28 GMT -5
Who decides a "FAIR" profit?
Who decides "Those in NEED"? Who determines the criteria for "NEED"?
Who provides the resources when "producers" quit or leave?
WHO is in CHARGE? What credentials required? Who put that person in charge?
Who decides the "value" of work? Who decides the meaning of "productive"?
Who determines the "allocation of RESOURCES"?
Who determines the allocation of "Health care"? Is gender considered? Is race? Is nationality? AGE? Citizenship?
WHO decides who makes all these "DETERMINATIONS"?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on May 26, 2015 14:54:24 GMT -5
As for socialism,communism , marxism which is really just the theory behind the first 2. The good is everyone is equal it's a true utopian philosophy if it actually worked. The bad it doesn't work as there's little motivation to Excell and too many chances for corruption which is why most end up in dictatorships. Capitalism the bad is the few have everything and the many are left with what the few will give them. The good it promotes advancement and striving to be better to get more .. based on greed but like gordon gecko said greed works. It is why capitol ism is the best economic model for an economy. IMO while I would prefer capitol ism to any other I think certain aspects of socialism should be mixed in. Like having workers wages increased when employers prof it increase , Healthcare for all, and increases in the minimum wage that would reflect inflation. Just curious, what is a fair profit? What happens if profits decrease? Well if if profits decrease then wages decrease. If they increase so would wages. As it stands now when profits decrease jobs and /or benefits are cut or removed and pay rates freeze or decrease. If there are high profits the top %ers give them selves plush bonuses and maybe throw the workers some scraps. I am all for capitalism but capitalism without the greed that has helped cause the immense personal debt most of America is in. By all means be a successful make ur billions bUT pay your people accordingly. As for who or what decides ... let inflation rates and cost of living decide . Did u watch the presentation and did you disagree with it? Communism would be ideal system but it doesn't work due to human nature and when it's implemented it becomes coupled soon after or even right from the start. The idea behind it was great which is why it appealed to s9 many countries ... until they implemented it and found it could never work. Unless u count China but China is communist in name only. Bejeing , shanghai, honk Kong are as capitalist ad it gets. Not saying capitalism is bad at all as its the one system that works. I am saying it should go back to the way it operated in the 40s thru 60s |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on May 26, 2015 15:14:19 GMT -5
He suggests people BORROW to get material things because they have to keep up with all the want.. want.. wants....... He assumes ignorance, he bases his views around consumer ignorance and financial immaturity and recklessness.
His suggestion that the gap between what workers earn and their employer makes off their work is a bad thing. Why should you even know or care what your employer makes? Only that they employ you. You can go out and get what your worth if you are worth it or you can negotiate your worth with the one who employs you.
Nobody is holding a worker to a steady job and stability. But the one sure way to screw the system up is to borrow, borrow, borrow ( You dont have to do that) which he suggests is the basis behind his push against Capitalism.
Why kill the American dream over what he suggests is human financial ignorance?
If you want more....start your own business or quit trying to borrow your way to prosperity, it doesn't work and people dont have to be assumed ignorant to formulate a political vision.
Many are though.....I dont know....Education? Just a thought.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on May 26, 2015 16:09:06 GMT -5
Just curious, what is a fair profit? What happens if profits decrease? Well if if profits decrease then wages decrease. If they increase so would wages. As it stands now when profits decrease jobs and /or benefits are cut or removed and pay rates freeze or decrease. If there are high profits the top %ers give them selves plush bonuses and maybe throw the workers some scraps. I am all for capitalism but capitalism without the greed that has helped cause the immense personal debt most of America is in. By all means be a successful make ur billions bUT pay your people accordingly. As for who or what decides ... let inflation rates and cost of living decide . Did u watch the presentation and did you disagree with it? Communism would be ideal system but it doesn't work due to human nature and when it's implemented it becomes coupled soon after or even right from the start. The idea behind it was great which is why it appealed to s9 many countries ... until they implemented it and found it could never work. Unless u count China but China is communist in name only. Bejeing , shanghai, honk Kong are as capitalist ad it gets. Not saying capitalism is bad at all as its the one system that works. I am saying it should go back to the way it operated in the 40s thru 60s No, I didn't watch it. I haven't had time, I'm working 70 plus hours a week. Barely have time for DD anymore, but I do try to make DD a priority for a portion of what free time I have. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on May 26, 2015 17:36:52 GMT -5
He suggests people BORROW to get material things because they have to keep up with all the want.. want.. wants....... He assumes ignorance, he bases his views around consumer ignorance and financial immaturity and recklessness. His suggestion that the gap between what workers earn and their employer makes off their work is a bad thing. Why should you even know or care what your employer makes? Only that they employ you. You can go out and get what your worth if you are worth it or you can negotiate your worth with the one who employs you. Nobody is holding a worker to a steady job and stability. But the one sure way to screw the system up is to borrow, borrow, borrow ( You dont have to do that) which he suggests is the basis behind his push against Capitalism. Why kill the American dream over what he suggests is human financial ignorance? If you want more....start your own business or quit trying to borrow your way to prosperity, it doesn't work and people dont have to be assumed ignorant to formulate a political vision. Many are though.....I dont know.... Education? Just a thought. KMAN--YOU are far more educated about LIFE and the reality of "VALUE" than most people. NEVER let those enticed to support "NEED" divert you from your belief that "PRODUCTIVITY/VALUE" are what matter. NO needy/poor person hires anyone--so when ALL are poor and dependent--all are EQUAL(the communist utopia)--but all have NOTHING!! Since lyndon johnson created the liberal "great society", gubment has spent $21,000,000,000,000 on all sorts of welfare and freebies for the needy greedy breedy sect---far in excess of the TOTAL US federal debt of $18,000,000,000,000 generated over the entire existence of this REPUBLIC!!!! "NEED is DESTRUCTIVE"-----liberals and their first cousins the COMMUNISTS, thrive on NEED---they are destructive and in total denial of reality. rr |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on May 26, 2015 19:21:10 GMT -5
He suggests people BORROW to get material things because they have to keep up with all the want.. want.. wants....... He assumes ignorance, he bases his views around consumer ignorance and financial immaturity and recklessness. His suggestion that the gap between what workers earn and their employer makes off their work is a bad thing. Why should you even know or care what your employer makes? Only that they employ you. You can go out and get what your worth if you are worth it or you can negotiate your worth with the one who employs you. Nobody is holding a worker to a steady job and stability. But the one sure way to screw the system up is to borrow, borrow, borrow ( You dont have to do that) which he suggests is the basis behind his push against Capitalism. Why kill the American dream over what he suggests is human financial ignorance? If you want more....start your own business or quit trying to borrow your way to prosperity, it doesn't work and people dont have to be assumed ignorant to formulate a political vision. Many are though.....I dont know.... Education? Just a thought. KMAN--YOU are far more educated about LIFE and the reality of "VALUE" than most people. NEVER let those enticed to support "NEED" divert you from your belief that "PRODUCTIVITY/VALUE" are what matter. NO needy/poor person hires anyone--so when ALL are poor and dependent--all are EQUAL(the communist utopia)--but all have NOTHING!! Since lyndon johnson created the liberal "great society", gubment has spent $21,000,000,000,000 on all sorts of welfare and freebies for the needy greedy breedy sect---far in excess of the TOTAL US federal debt of $18,000,000,000,000 generated over the entire existence of this REPUBLIC!!!! "NEED is DESTRUCTIVE"-----liberals and their first cousins the COMMUNISTS, thrive on NEED---they are destructive and in total denial of reality. rr So RR is the New Testament balderdash to you? Just curious as a good chunk of the New Testament speaks on just that - sharing what you have when you have plenty or more than what you need to those that have little to nothing. Maybe your like Katman and not really religious so just wondering really. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 14, 2002 7:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by ironhorse on May 26, 2015 19:54:33 GMT -5
2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on May 26, 2015 21:16:08 GMT -5
Richard Wolff has a lot of Karl Marx in him...who you tryin' to fool around here? Oh he is no doubt I think he says it himself that he's a Marxist. That doesn't make what he was saying in this clip any less true. Here's a question assuming you are Christian which I am pretty sure you are ... If Jesus came down from heaven and had to choose between Capitalism or Marxism which do you think he would choose - Capitalism or shared wealth Marxism ? just a question. Personally I don't know what system I prefer - being a business owner myself I am becoming more conservative than I have ever been so I am a bit of a hypocrite here but I recognize that Captitolism , Marxism, Communism, socialism all have good qualities and bad. I know this is a dream question for that's what liberals like to do!...dream... Just like IH's verse he posted up above. When Jesus wanted us to be giving, I believe he meant to widows, the handicap, and orphans....more people draw a "welfare check" that DON'T NEED IT than do ones who really do need it. It's a generation from generation to generation all in the same families as a general rule. Those people DON'T and Shouldn't get welfare for their collective lazy asses.... I don't think any conservative is adverse to giving to widows, handicaps, or orphans, for THEY truly need it. You see Streeter, once the liberals saw that they could essentially BUY their votes and stay in office they don't care who they give welfare to for they know in the end, the lazy asses will vote and keep them in office. As with any gubment program, no one in Washington cares about how the program is going as long as they keep getting voted in for their cushy job. |
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