Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on May 26, 2015 22:07:04 GMT -5
2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. Where did I say people should not work? is that really all ya got? I can pull out literally hundreds of New Testament qoutes -= you want to compare - I have no doubt you know the good book better than I - do I really need to there? I love how the hard core right love to tout Jesus and go completely against his teachings at least fiscally. It is really comical. But IH was just the person I was hoping would chime in here and debate...
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on May 26, 2015 22:30:45 GMT -5
Oh he is no doubt I think he says it himself that he's a Marxist. That doesn't make what he was saying in this clip any less true. Here's a question assuming you are Christian which I am pretty sure you are ... If Jesus came down from heaven and had to choose between Capitalism or Marxism which do you think he would choose - Capitalism or shared wealth Marxism ? just a question. Personally I don't know what system I prefer - being a business owner myself I am becoming more conservative than I have ever been so I am a bit of a hypocrite here but I recognize that Captitolism , Marxism, Communism, socialism all have good qualities and bad. I know this is a dream question for that's what liberals like to do!...dream... Just like IH's verse he posted up above. When Jesus wanted us to be giving, I believe he meant to widows, the handicap, and orphans....more people draw a "welfare check" that DON'T NEED IT than do ones who really do need it. It's a generation from generation to generation all in the same families as a general rule. Those people DON'T and Shouldn't get welfare for their collective lazy asses.... I don't think any conservative is adverse to giving to widows, handicaps, or orphans, for THEY truly need it. You see Streeter, once the liberals saw that they could essentially BUY their votes and stay in office they don't care who they give welfare to for they know in the end, the lazy asses will vote and keep them in office. As with any gubment program, no one in Washington cares about how the program is going as long as they keep getting voted in for their cushy job. seriously you really think that? Riley read it again. I love the hypocrisy of the religious right. Giving to the poor and only taking what you need is a STAPLE of the scripture even IH wouldn't rebuke that. If Jesus had to choose a Economic system you really think he chooses Capitalism which goes against his teaching almost directly or Communism which much more correlates to his teachings? NOT The communist Party obviously - I am talking communism the economic philosophy. Granted it would take Jesus to make Communism work as it's destitied to fail based on human nature in these days but if it was done right... IH is one of if not the most "spiritual" people on here at least what I have heard him post. If he will come on here and say the lord would prefer Capitalism over sharing the wealth among the people equally which is communism at least in it's purest form - I will never post another left wing item on here EVER! He doesn't even need to back it up in any way.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 14, 2002 7:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by ironhorse on May 27, 2015 3:01:37 GMT -5
The Lord wants people to help the poor, the widows, orphans. The Old Testament even had rules on land owners requiring them to let the poor gleen the fields along the edges, and not harvest all the crops, so the poor could go in and have something... However it was not expected that the land owners, harvest it for them, or let able bodied folks gleen the edges.
The Old Testament also had rules on usury,and borrowing.
For the government to take 50% of your labor and income to redistribute is sinful and evil, in my opinion.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on May 27, 2015 5:55:31 GMT -5
He suggests people BORROW to get material things because they have to keep up with all the want.. want.. wants....... He assumes ignorance, he bases his views around consumer ignorance and financial immaturity and recklessness. His suggestion that the gap between what workers earn and their employer makes off their work is a bad thing. Why should you even know or care what your employer makes? Only that they employ you. You can go out and get what your worth if you are worth it or you can negotiate your worth with the one who employs you. Nobody is holding a worker to a steady job and stability. But the one sure way to screw the system up is to borrow, borrow, borrow ( You dont have to do that) which he suggests is the basis behind his push against Capitalism. Why kill the American dream over what he suggests is human financial ignorance? If you want more....start your own business or quit trying to borrow your way to prosperity, it doesn't work and people dont have to be assumed ignorant to formulate a political vision. Many are though.....I dont know.... Education? Just a thought. KMAN--YOU are far more educated about LIFE and the reality of "VALUE" than most people. NEVER let those enticed to support "NEED" divert you from your belief that "PRODUCTIVITY/VALUE" are what matter. NO needy/poor person hires anyone--so when ALL are poor and dependent--all are EQUAL(the communist utopia)--but all have NOTHING!! Since lyndon johnson created the liberal "great society", gubment has spent $21,000,000,000,000 on all sorts of welfare and freebies for the needy greedy breedy sect---far in excess of the TOTAL US federal debt of $18,000,000,000,000 generated over the entire existence of this REPUBLIC!!!! "NEED is DESTRUCTIVE"-----liberals and their first cousins the COMMUNISTS, thrive on NEED---they are destructive and in total denial of reality. rr I always learned my financial beliefs from my mom, who I love very much, recently I almost lost her...shes 88, never bought more than what we needed. She taught me if you watch your pennies, your dollars will take care of themselves. I watched the video. I was not impressed at all. I absolutely hated his take on formulating finances and political stance around ignorance and recklessness.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on May 27, 2015 10:13:59 GMT -5
The Lord wants people to help the poor, the widows, orphans. The Old Testament even had rules on land owners requiring them to let the poor gleen the fields along the edges, and not harvest all the crops, so the poor could go in and have something... However it was not expected that the land owners, harvest it for them, or let able bodied folks gleen the edges. The Old Testament also had rules on usury,and borrowing. For the government to take 50% of your labor and income to redistribute is sinful and evil, in my opinion. I wasn't talking about the old testament I think I was pretty clear. So it sinful and EVIL to give 50% of what you make and re distribute to the needy ? You may be the biggest hypocrite I have seen on this sight. That is JUST what Jesus preached in the scriptures ... and to you its evil ... I will do some rr style generalities here so therefore you are against Jesus. IH I don't think u are just showing how generalities are messed up. I do think like most religious conservatives you are very hypocritical. Also u didn't answer my question... that's fine I didn't expect you to give any kind of straight answer.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on May 27, 2015 11:03:32 GMT -5
Streeter, that vid is more about one mans opinion that the workers should reap more of what the employer sows, not religion.
I however dont mind a great conversation, which you have started, even though I totally disagree with your take on this by propping up that dudes opinion. I however have to say you twisted IH's words there. He used the word TAKE and you used the word GIVE.
Are they not opposites?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on May 27, 2015 11:45:05 GMT -5
In theory, I hit like Stan Musial and played 3B like Brooks Robinson. In practice, I couldn't hit a curve ball to save my butt. If Jesus was making the decisions, redistribution is one thing. If Obama, Bush, etc are making the decisions, that's an entirely different thing.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on May 27, 2015 12:13:48 GMT -5
The Lord wants people to help the poor, the widows, orphans. The Old Testament even had rules on land owners requiring them to let the poor gleen the fields along the edges, and not harvest all the crops, so the poor could go in and have something... However it was not expected that the land owners, harvest it for them, or let able bodied folks gleen the edges. The Old Testament also had rules on usury,and borrowing. For the government to take 50% of your labor and income to redistribute is sinful and evil, in my opinion. I wasn't talking about the old testament I think I was pretty clear. So it sinful and EVIL to give 50% of what you make and re distribute to the needy ? You may be the biggest hypocrite I have seen on this sight. That is JUST what Jesus preached in the scriptures ... and to you its evil ... I will do some rr style generalities here so therefore you are against Jesus. IH I don't think u are just showing how generalities are messed up. I do think like most religious conservatives you are very hypocritical. Also u didn't answer my question... that's fine I didn't expect you to give any kind of straight answer. This is one of the most lowest forms of post ever here on DD...it even rivals some of us being called racists solely for wanting smiff gone!... But, to call IH a hypocrite and to even insinuate that he's against Jesus just reinforces my thoughts about how the liberal mind actually works and sees things. IH or anyone on here doesn't deserve to be labeled a hypocrite because we aren't minions in the liberal dream.... Whether YOU want to break it down into communism, socialism, or Marxism or liberalism, it simply makes no difference at all, for all of you maggots come from the same mold.... YOU owe IH an apology....
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on May 27, 2015 13:12:58 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about the old testament I think I was pretty clear. So it sinful and EVIL to give 50% of what you make and re distribute to the needy ? You may be the biggest hypocrite I have seen on this sight. That is JUST what Jesus preached in the scriptures ... and to you its evil ... I will do some rr style generalities here so therefore you are against Jesus. IH I don't think u are just showing how generalities are messed up. I do think like most religious conservatives you are very hypocritical. Also u didn't answer my question... that's fine I didn't expect you to give any kind of straight answer. This is one of the most lowest forms of post ever here on DD...it even rivals some of us being called racists solely for wanting smiff gone!... But, to call IH a hypocrite and to even insinuate that he's against Jesus just reinforces my thoughts about how the liberal mind actually works and sees things. IH or anyone on here doesn't deserve to be labeled a hypocrite because we aren't minions in the liberal dream.... Whether YOU want to break it down into communism, socialism, or Marxism or liberalism, it simply makes no difference at all, for all of you maggots come from the same mold.... YOU owe IH an apology.... I'm sorry for telling the truth. I never said IH was against Jesus I was speaking on the same terms so many on here love to do ... generalties and being labeled or grouped. It's a pastime here. If you read what I said I even say I didn't think that. Did I mean to call him a hypocrite absolutely I did from his own words. I asked a question that he couldn't answer and said so ething I felt was 100% hypocritical to his Christian beliefs. Then again he is no different than most of the religious right. SHARING your money or wealth with Tha masses is evil or sinful in his mind ... he didn't just say he diagreed evil and sinful was used. But I hope he comes back with nt scripture to back him up.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on May 27, 2015 13:45:38 GMT -5
Producers(through gubment theft/redistribution) have GIVEN $21,000,000,000,000 to the "needy/poor" since 1965. That is 50 years--an average of $420,000,000,000/year.
Yep--50 years--$420 billion/year. MORE "giving" to the poor than all countries on earth combined.
That fails to include all charitable organizations, personal gifting, endowments, scholarships, church/religious aide, and personal direct charity for those in need. And--that is JUST "giving" in the USA---does not include all the charity and aide on a global basis.
Yep--takes a lowlife scum liberal to accuse OTHERS of not being decent---and ignoring multiple $TRILLIONS from PRODUCERS!!!
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on May 27, 2015 14:41:54 GMT -5
Producers(through gubment theft/redistribution) have GIVEN $21,000,000,000,000 to the "needy/poor" since 1965. That is 50 years--an average of $420,000,000,000/year. Yep--50 years--$420 billion/year. MORE "giving" to the poor than all countries on earth combined. That fails to include all charitable organizations, personal gifting, endowments, scholarships, church/religious aide, and personal direct charity for those in need. And--that is JUST "giving" in the USA---does not include all the charity and aide on a global basis. Yep--takes a lowlife scum liberal to accuse OTHERS of not being decent---and ignoring multiple $TRILLIONS from PRODUCERS!!! rr RR, that leads to another point. How much of the money the government takes is distributed and how much sticks to someone else's fingers on the way?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 14, 2002 7:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by ironhorse on May 27, 2015 16:27:21 GMT -5
I thought I answered the question. The government has no right to take 50% of anyone's money..and if you think the government really gives it to the needy,you are extremely naive. They redistribute it for in many cases sinful and evil purposes... You should help the poor...I thought I made that clear...the church should be in the business of helping the needy...when I say "needy" I also mean the spiritually needy,as much as financial need.
The "poor" in biblical times is far different than the "poor" in America today. The widows,the lame,the orphaned in biblical times were outcasts,and endured extreme poverty and worse...without any safety net. Christ recognized this and severely chastised the Pharisees and a Sadducees for their treatment and ignoring of the poor...I don't think you really understand...Government will not solve poverty.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Nov 14, 2002 7:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by ironhorse on May 27, 2015 16:50:50 GMT -5
Streeter Read this from Matthew:
The Parable of the Talents
14 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. 15 And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. 16 Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. 17 And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. 18 But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord’s money. 19 After a long time the lord of those servants came and settled accounts with them.
20 “So he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents; look, I have gained five more talents besides them.’ 21 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ 22 He also who had received two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents; look, I have gained two more talents besides them.’ 23 His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’
24 “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’
26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. 28 Therefore take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents.
29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on May 27, 2015 16:51:02 GMT -5
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on May 27, 2015 18:32:39 GMT -5
Streeter asks for opines, and when he doesn't get the ones he wants, the ones that doesn't meet his liberal dream, then like a good little liberal, he slanders, calls names, and is very apt at trying to make the other one appear to be in the wrong...
We're all here in our 50's, 60's, and 70's...you asked some questions, we gave you our opinions, and then you slammed us..
Perhaps you'd be better off to go to a "chabad talk" type of forum where you could possible engage in dreams, ideas, and banter more to your liking....I'm afraid you're not gonna find it here....good luck....
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