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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 1, 2016 7:59:08 GMT -5
How I wold do it as an obvious bleeding heart left of Michael Moore liberal.
A 5 part plan that would be very effective.
A. Taxes - if u are not a citizen and you work here - you have to claim 0 on your w2 and you get NO REFUND at years end.
B. Benefits - unless you are a citizen you are not eligible for government assistance, scholarships , medical unless it is life or death urgent care.
C. If you have been living here for years all be it illegally and have a job and no criminal record then u can be put on 5 years probation as a legal resident after which u will need to pass a test to become a,citizen and prove you can speak and read english.
D. No more anchor babies a child born here is no only no longer a automatic citizen they must serve 4 years in the service to become a citizen..
E. If at any time a person waiting on being a citizen commits a crime all accounts they have are frozen and collected by the state and try are sent back to their country with their own money.
And illegals after that point will have all possessions taken from them then escorted back as well also paid with own money.
And ban sanctuary cities.
What we shouldn't so is spend a trillion on a wall that we would have to heavily man anyway and would be nothing more than a deterent for a,few years till a way was found around it. The idea I have saves a,ton of money and even adds a great sum of influx to the economy.
Then again this is just the view of a bleeding heart who is as far left as left can get according to the idiots anyway.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Mar 1, 2016 10:27:12 GMT -5
I think if you sneak into a movie theater and get caught, you should get to watch the movie same as the ones who paid. I mean, they are in there!
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Mar 1, 2016 12:43:52 GMT -5
I'll give you credit for putting a lot of serious thought into this. Above I was just making an analogy, I wasn't trying to be a jerk...I concede it does appear that way.
I think the wall idea sends the right message. You want to live here, go through the proper procedures.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 1, 2016 14:24:34 GMT -5
streeter---I have to give you credit for a well thought out solution.
I can accept all your suggestions--EXCEPT the right to eventual citizenship--NO WAY JOSE!!!
If one comes here, or stays here ILLEGALLY---no right to citizenship for being a "criminal"!!!
If ANY illegal really wants to be a citizen--leave the country--get on the entry list--get a green card--then follow the standard path to being a US citizen.
My method PREVENTS a reward for breaking the LAW!!
Well done streeter--except for my 1 alternative.
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Mar 1, 2016 14:32:00 GMT -5
I pretty much agree, if someone wants to live here and they do it legally, I have no problem with that at all.
My problem is the lawbreaking, then possibly being rewarded for it.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 2, 2016 12:27:38 GMT -5
I am pretty conservative on immigration. I do think the fence is stupid and a giant waste of a trillion or so dollars. For something that would be nothing more than a deterent not a fix.
The best part of my idea is force everyone that works in this country and is not a citizen claim zero and not get a refund. That's alot of extra money right there. Freeze assets of illegals or residents that have commuted a crime and use there own money to deport them.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on Mar 2, 2016 12:37:35 GMT -5
Some good points made by Streeter. I'm to busy to have given it a lot of thought, but it sounds like some good ideas.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 2, 2016 14:56:09 GMT -5
I support the FENCE!!!
build it--fortify it--arm it--moat it--electrify it----NO ENTRY means NO ENTRY
except by LEGAL means!!
Build the FENCE---
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 2, 2016 15:21:21 GMT -5
I support the FENCE!!! build it--fortify it--arm it--moat it--electrify it----NO ENTRY means NO ENTRY except by LEGAL means!! Build the FENCE--- rr I just can't support throwing a trillion bucks in the fireplace. There's just so little to be gained for the amount it would cost when there are better and much cheaper and easier ways. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: May 25, 2002 20:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by fiddling on Mar 2, 2016 16:36:29 GMT -5
To paraphrase former Illinois senator Everett Dirkson. A billion dollars here, a billion dollars there, the next thing you know, you're talking about real money.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 3, 2016 15:28:18 GMT -5
Putting that fence up would be upward of 50 billion and closer to 100 billion. Then it has to be armed , maintained and gaurded. It is,a,collasal waste of money. It would domlittle to nothing . The beat deterent is to attack how much they can make and if they are caught all money they have is,seized.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 3, 2016 16:00:10 GMT -5
Putting that fence up would be upward of 50 billion and closer to 100 billion. Then it has to be armed , maintained and gaurded. It is,a,collasal waste of money. It would domlittle to nothing . The beat deterent is to attack how much they can make and if they are caught all money they have is,seized. So--how many illegals do you or your sub-contractors employee?  If ZERO--YOU have no $$$$ in the illegal game--if any--YOU are part of the problem!!! And--don't claim YOU do not know for sure!!! If in doubt--illegals are doing construction for YOU!!! rr |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 3, 2016 18:13:25 GMT -5
Putting that fence up would be upward of 50 billion and closer to 100 billion. Then it has to be armed , maintained and gaurded. It is,a,collasal waste of money. It would domlittle to nothing . The beat deterent is to attack how much they can make and if they are caught all money they have is,seized. So--how many illegals do you or your sub-contractors employee? If ZERO--YOU have no $$$$ in the illegal game--if any--YOU are part of the problem!!! And--don't claim YOU do not know for sure!!! If in doubt--illegals are doing construction for YOU!!! rr rr I am now a general contractor. Most of my employees are from ur neck of the woods ... lol. Georgia Tech. I have like 7 project managers from gt. But yeah alot of the tapers , drywallers, laborers , etc are maybe illegal 8 don know. I care when things aren't done on schedule as that's MY money. When I have an issue its,usually never the Mexicans ..... the Mexicans are some of the hardest workeR's on my sites. But yes they are subcontracted. The best workers though are the irish and polish. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 3, 2016 18:35:30 GMT -5
YOU utilize CHEAP labor TO MEET SCHEDULES AND CONTRACT $$$$ DEALS!!
YOU are preventing LEGAL citizens from making a fair WAGE!!
The FENCE MUST be BUILT!!!!
end the DISCRIMINATION against LEGAL workers!!!
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 4, 2016 7:21:22 GMT -5
YOU utilize CHEAP labor TO MEET SCHEDULES AND CONTRACT $$$$ DEALS!! YOU are preventing LEGAL citizens from making a fair WAGE!! The FENCE MUST be BUILT!!!! end the DISCRIMINATION against LEGAL workers!!! rr are you really that stupid. I build in a union state I have to pay union scale anything but cheap You focking dumbass. But keep talking about things you know nothing about ... ... also anyone in the union has,to be minimum a legal resident or they are tossed. ..... the unions are actually strict on that shit they hate illegals as much as,anyone. Learn a little about something before you try and talk about it intelligently ....... wait nevermind I forgot who in was talking to. |
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