Post by houstoncat on Nov 6, 2019 11:48:09 GMT -5
Looking at this impeachment scenario can anyone truly think that these folks being trotted out have any bearing on the issue at hand. The revised or more correctly supplemented deposition clearly says that individual "presumed" tit for tat without any evidence, without knowing who, what, when, and why money was delayed. He also indicated that from Trump directly, Trump said he didn't want anything, no quid pro quo and when asked responded that he only wanted the new president to do what he promised when elected. Biden et. al. were not in the conversation. The ex-ambassador seem to feel entitled to the position because she was a "expert" on all things Ukraine.
They also talk of rouge diplomacy or going against diplomacy established by State. problem here folks is the Presidenthas full constitutional authority to develop and conduct foreign policy, not state, not congress, not the senate, not Pealousy or Shifty determines policy, it is the Presidents constitutional mandate, he wants to tell State or embedded bureaucrats to shove it on policy he can. He can remove for no cause anyone in state, if he wants to remove a political partisan or put one in he can. It appears that a couple of these folks refused to try and implement his course of action. He kicked their asses out big whoop.
Extorsion, not hardly he can ask for anything other then bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors. It is very clear the favor was help in the criminal investigation (a treaty agreement) by our Justice Department with things Ukrainian that may have been involved. No mention of holding up money. AND at the end of the day, they got the money, they did not have to deliver (required by treaty) the investigation. Hence by definition no quid pro quo, no coverup at all (the transcript still rules it ain't the "Minority Report" scenario in this country at least not yet)
All of these "witnesses" are second hand and are expressing an opinion, right or wrong its just that, opinion on something they were not present at.
So while we are at it, lets arrest John Kerry for going to Iran to undermine Trump's decision for the money etc.
Let's arrest the three Senators who directly threatened the Ukrainian President if he we forward with an investigation. Btw they should be excused from voting on impeachment, they interfered with the official conduct of Foreign Policy.
Lets sanction Vider who on the record bad mouthed this country and attempted to undermine the Presidents Ukrainian policy and tried to get the transcript changed by adding what only he and not any individual from the transcription team heard.
At the end of the day the house will impeach. If McConnel would grow a pair he force a vote to dismiss, since that wouldn't get a super Majority, he could change the rules by vote to simple majority and throw the whole think out.
I say again and again and again, you don't like the Trumpster, fine. Vote him out as it should be not some pencil neck patrician liar and an 80 year old plastic surgery advertisement holding sham hearings and covering up the actual truth.
They also talk of rouge diplomacy or going against diplomacy established by State. problem here folks is the Presidenthas full constitutional authority to develop and conduct foreign policy, not state, not congress, not the senate, not Pealousy or Shifty determines policy, it is the Presidents constitutional mandate, he wants to tell State or embedded bureaucrats to shove it on policy he can. He can remove for no cause anyone in state, if he wants to remove a political partisan or put one in he can. It appears that a couple of these folks refused to try and implement his course of action. He kicked their asses out big whoop.
Extorsion, not hardly he can ask for anything other then bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors. It is very clear the favor was help in the criminal investigation (a treaty agreement) by our Justice Department with things Ukrainian that may have been involved. No mention of holding up money. AND at the end of the day, they got the money, they did not have to deliver (required by treaty) the investigation. Hence by definition no quid pro quo, no coverup at all (the transcript still rules it ain't the "Minority Report" scenario in this country at least not yet)
All of these "witnesses" are second hand and are expressing an opinion, right or wrong its just that, opinion on something they were not present at.
So while we are at it, lets arrest John Kerry for going to Iran to undermine Trump's decision for the money etc.
Let's arrest the three Senators who directly threatened the Ukrainian President if he we forward with an investigation. Btw they should be excused from voting on impeachment, they interfered with the official conduct of Foreign Policy.
Lets sanction Vider who on the record bad mouthed this country and attempted to undermine the Presidents Ukrainian policy and tried to get the transcript changed by adding what only he and not any individual from the transcription team heard.
At the end of the day the house will impeach. If McConnel would grow a pair he force a vote to dismiss, since that wouldn't get a super Majority, he could change the rules by vote to simple majority and throw the whole think out.
I say again and again and again, you don't like the Trumpster, fine. Vote him out as it should be not some pencil neck patrician liar and an 80 year old plastic surgery advertisement holding sham hearings and covering up the actual truth.