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Became a Dynasty Defender: Mar 21, 2019 12:37:12 GMT -5
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Post by fiddlingone on Mar 14, 2020 14:52:01 GMT -5
This was many years ago and involved a gov plant, so I don't know what standards were. I'm sure you've heard the phrase, "Close enough for gov work." You know more about union contracts than I do, but I know lazy people consistently got away with not working and guys like me carried their load and any time one of those guys got in some trouble, the union protected them. I had a supervisor in the tire room tell me one time that he would "handle" a problem employee but the union won't let him. I was the local union president at the time. I guess the guy didn't know that? Anyway, I asked him what discipline he had tried to administer and which union steward had stopped him. He just gave me a blank look. So I asked again, "specifically what actions have you tried to take and been stopped?" He said, "well, none!". So I asked again, "how did anyone in the union stop you from doing nothing?". He said, "well, I guess they didn't". But that's how BS like that spreads. Had I not known better I would have probably repeated it away from work that we had a supervisor being stopped from disciplining a problem worker. I realize for the most part I'm talking to company men here. So I know the arguments. I understand company men hate unions. I know the hyperbole they put out. And they will say that "unions had a place and time but that time is passed". Hogwash!! We had a saying, more of a truism, when I was an organizer. 'Unions don't organize unions, management organizes unions'. I didn't really get that when I was new to organizing but after years of doing it I would tell the new people, unions don't organize unions, managers organize unions. We could not organize any facility where the workers were being treated fairly by management. Unions are not organized over money. Never have been and never will be. Nor was that ever the driving force. Due process is foundation. And those places that can't be organized because the company is being fair are being fair to keep the unions out. You let the whole idea of unions go away and those companies will not continue to be fair. It is very hard to organize also because the laws are stacked against the unions. But once people see thru that you almost never hear of a union being decertified by the workers. Why is that if the union is so bad? A "right to work" is a farce. It's a gift to management from corrupt politicians. It does away with majority rule. Something the union haters usually hang their hats on. It still hasn't worked out like they wanted. As I said in another thread, nationally less than 2% of workers that work in a union facility in a right to work state opt out of joining. And I don't have a problem with them not joining. If a person wants to be a scab then they can just be a scab. The problem I have the law is that the union has to represent the scabs just as if they were members. I can't argue contracts because I have not been privy to them. I do know that it was not fair that some of us would put out 2 or 3 times the work of others, but were not rewarded accordingly. I've even had some of the laziest tell me not to work so hard. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 14, 2020 14:55:56 GMT -5
What happened to all those high paying manufacturing and mining jobs with unions controlled by THUGS and attempting to pay staggering taxes and meet unrealistic regulations created by dumbdems!!
I know--they all left--most to the far east--and now we are dependent on china for our medications and metals and everything but--OIL and GAS!!
dems attempted to destroy the oil and gas industry, another field I provided products and heard the pathetic stories of over regulation and burdensome rules from idiots who never set foot in the oil field.
UNIONS--TAXES--REGULATIONS---the demise of US manufacturing and mining!!
to say otherwise is to demonstrate total ignorance of the facts and the situation today.
TAXES--dem luv
REGULATIONS--dem luv
UNIONS--dem luv
rest of the world had lower taxes--ignored burdensome regulations and far east has NO UNIONS!!
High paying jobs--GONE because of the idiots who ignored the truth and destroyed the jobs!!
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Mar 14, 2020 16:06:49 GMT -5
What happened to all those high paying manufacturing and mining jobs with unions controlled by THUGS and attempting to pay staggering taxes and meet unrealistic regulations created by dumbdems!! I know--they all left--most to the far east--and now we are dependent on china for our medications and metals and everything but--OIL and GAS!! dems attempted to destroy the oil and gas industry, another field I provided products and heard the pathetic stories of over regulation and burdensome rules from idiots who never set foot in the oil field. UNIONS--TAXES--REGULATIONS---the demise of US manufacturing and mining!! to say otherwise is to demonstrate total ignorance of the facts and the situation today. TAXES--dem luv REGULATIONS--dem luv UNIONS--dem luv rest of the world had lower taxes--ignored burdensome regulations and far east has NO UNIONS!! High paying jobs--GONE because of the idiots who ignored the truth and destroyed the jobs!! rr What happened to them. Reagan mostly. Gave companies tax breaks to move our jobs overseas. I’ll agree with the “idiots” part. But it was the people that voted those crooks into office. “Trickle down” my ass!! I know you’re going to present the company man side of it but you are just wrong. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 14, 2020 20:24:53 GMT -5
I am RIGHT--saw the unions help destroy business and help FORCE it over seas.
SCUM unions--total destruction--not a care about those with jobs--just plain EVIL!!
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 15, 2020 11:52:03 GMT -5
10% of employed people in the USA are union--- about 99% of the WORKERS are not union!! www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdfwhy would any person with self value participate willingly in a thug run union? answer--very few willingly!!! rr So 10% of USA workers are union AND 99% of workers are not union? Were you talking about something else with the 99% comment or is your dementia acting up again? You open both this thread an on another thread talking about how people just don't want to be in unions as the reason the member ship is 10% down from over 50% in the 40s thru 70s. Which is obviously an actually comically wrong as its quite the exact opposite among tradesmen. But I guess if that doesn't work for ya -- go to your usual WHINE briggade and start throwing shit against the wall n throwing out your personal insults/attacks. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 15, 2020 12:13:00 GMT -5
I did not expect streeter to understand the first post.
10% of JOBS are union
99% of WORKERS are non-union
think about it for a week--it will dawn on even the slowest of the slow!!
Both claims are accurate!!!
rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 15, 2020 13:50:31 GMT -5
I did not expect streeter to understand the first post. 10% of JOBS are union 99% of WORKERS are non-union think about it for a week--it will dawn on even the slowest of the slow!! Both claims are accurate!!! rr Well I can say I know 10% give or take of workers (wage and salary earners) in US are union. this is a fact. you state 99% of workers are non union right after that....... your own link states in it's first sentence My definition of a American worker is a person with a job earning wage/salary. is yours different? So wheres the gotcha at? are you counting people that work as volunteers? off books work? un reported farm workers? just talking about a certain sector or state? we counting homemakers? something you thought up? The unemployed - surely not as Trump has fixed that as u say. If you got me over a barrel on this with something n I'm not seeing it ... then go ahead give me hell -- I will even admit it n congratulate if it makes sense. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 15, 2020 14:11:20 GMT -5
The union bumper stickers actually say this best........ RIGHT TO WORK ENDS WORKERS RIGHTS
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Sept 8, 2001 20:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Katman on Mar 15, 2020 14:41:41 GMT -5
Workers have the right to quit employment "on the spot" and move on to something else. Thats all the rights needed in my opinion.
In an economy that is creating jobs, marketing your job skills are a workers best friend.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 15, 2020 15:10:25 GMT -5
streeter still ignoring what I WROTE---
10% of jobs are filled by unions
99% of WORKERS are not in unions
I have seen--lazy, lazy "job fillers"
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 15, 2020 15:19:58 GMT -5
Ahhhhhh got it ..... it was just some dumb made up stat u pulled out ur ass.
So union worker dont really "work" huh? That's wrong in every sense in regards to trade unions.
You got that faar fringe Right wing mantra down pat. Unfortunately for units almost always wrong as are most fringes in society.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Mar 15, 2020 15:24:30 GMT -5
I said even a the most dense would eventually figure it out!! And, as usual, A mis-claim of what is posted--over and over-- reading comprehension--gubment school at 200 proof rr  |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Mar 15, 2020 15:34:11 GMT -5
I said even a the most dense would eventually figure it out!! And, as usual, A mis-claim of what is posted--over and over-- reading comprehension--gubment school at 200 proof rr Lol. The f%@! u on about now? More whine from the resident whiner I guess. Okay what exactly did I mis claim? |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Mar 15, 2020 17:53:18 GMT -5
I know the company man response to unions.
I’ve lived it.
I even understand it.
It’s still wrong.
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