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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on May 2, 2020 21:31:03 GMT -5
There has been a lot of talk about the reporting if deaths associated with this virus i thought i would put this out there believe it ir don't the true story is somewhere in between. I was having some work done on the homestead and on of the subs is a retired nyc police officer (ret. last two years). He was having a general conversation about his family and professional acquaintances up there and without prompting or being asked he said his old buddies in the nyc said that while the virus is bad in the city and folks are dying from it the reported cases are over inflated by quite a bit. Death are automatically attributed to cv19 even though folks may have been far along in cancer; severe heart disease or even normal end of life. Now its not new news even Brix said they were encouraged to do that to simplify things in overworked hospitals. My point here is when all is said and done we will find out that a narrative was developed and executed and used by asshat politicians both red and blue to gain control. All we want is the truth the right numbers to better decide as individuals what is best for us and our families. Odd thing about being able to make an informed choice the choice that is right for you and your family is usually right for the nation as a whole. StY home or work if its best for you and yours it will end up being best for all of us . JMO of course and something many politicians fight and are afraid of
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on May 2, 2020 21:35:00 GMT -5
Admins please move to political forum didnt mean to post here
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Post by fiddling on May 2, 2020 22:04:06 GMT -5
Admins please move to political forum didnt mean to post here moved it for you. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on May 3, 2020 7:23:24 GMT -5
Thanks!!
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Post by Katman on May 3, 2020 7:53:10 GMT -5
Houstoncat, I like your engagements on this topic, but when you interject anything outside of the evil being perpetuated against the worlds people you are missing the big picture.
Our government sold us out to Communist China. If by means of hook or crook we lose this election in November and they are pushing mail in ballots which would be simple to cheat, we will lose EVERYTHING America was founded on.
This is PURE EVIL. It has to be evaluated knowing this.
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Post by fiddlingone on May 3, 2020 8:13:36 GMT -5
Houstoncat, I like your engagements on this topic, but when you interject anything outside of the evil being perpetuated against the worlds people you are missing the big picture. Our government sold us out to Communist China. If by means of hook or crook we lose this election in November and they are pushing mail in ballots which would be simple to cheat, we will lose EVERYTHING America was founded on. This is PURE EVIL. It has to be evaluated knowing this. I've been looking at hand held forehead thermometers on the internet. Everyone I looked at said made in China. |
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Post by Katman on May 3, 2020 8:31:38 GMT -5
The Globalists (Soros, Bloomberg, Gates...ect) want to make China the manufacturing hub for the "NEW WORLD ORDER" That criminal, George Bush 41 proclaimed we would have. Remember that?
May he rot in hell.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on May 3, 2020 9:08:44 GMT -5
Actually im not overlooking china we must as a country get our vital manufacturing and technology back home on our shores. Let them make cocktail umbrellas etc but if this pandeic has clearly shown us anything it has shown us how dependent we are on a hostile foreign entity for basics ljke pharmaceuticals and even phone technology. Oddly nut jobs like the faux indian senator are right about corporate greed they sold out jobs and work for dollars and as a people we bought into it as we liked the cheaper prices. We threw out basic human rights and worker rights when we did that. In that respect the paradigm must change we may end up paying more but good paying jobs will be created; tax bases increased and as a result hopefully defecit reduction as the nanny state decreases, pie in the sky maybe but a logical the meantime china has to eat we for good or bad are the only country in the world that can produce enough excess food to export. That is powerful and not really used as tariffs tended to extort the price of exchange. Actually if we take care of ourselves first and foremost aid to places that need it will happen naturally as we wont have fear of fiscal repercussions of you do this re we will do that. I also believe that given american production ingenuity and competition the initial rise in costs will begin ti drop. China is the big player we hurt them with money and we carry a real big stick there, talk of lawsuits by feds is worthless.
So yeah i think about china and what its politics mean but now iim more iinterested in our various states and the feds are doing to tell us the whole story correctly so we as a people can truly participate in the democratic republic process to decide whats better for us
PS fiddliin you are right on the thermometers all us tech btw. D like to see us get in the market with home built stuff thst works and leave china having to corner the market in rectal thermometersđ
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Post by fiddlingone on May 3, 2020 9:31:55 GMT -5
Actually im not overlooking china we must as a country get our vital manufacturing and technology back home on our shores. Let them make cocktail umbrellas etc but if this pandeic has clearly shown us anything it has shown us how dependent we are on a hostile foreign entity for basics ljke pharmaceuticals and even phone technology. Oddly nut jobs like the faux indian senator are right about corporate greed they sold out jobs and work for dollars and as a people we bought into it as we liked the cheaper prices. We threw out basic human rights and worker rights when we did that. In that respect the paradigm must change we may end up paying more but good paying jobs will be created; tax bases increased and as a result hopefully defecit reduction as the nanny state decreases, pie in the sky maybe but a logical the meantime china has to eat we for good or bad are the only country in the world that can produce enough excess food to export. That is powerful and not really used as tariffs tended to extort the price of exchange. Actually if we take care of ourselves first and foremost aid to places that need it will happen naturally as we wont have fear of fiscal repercussions of you do this re we will do that. I also believe that given american production ingenuity and competition the initial rise in costs will begin ti drop. China is the big player we hurt them with money and we carry a real big stick there, talk of lawsuits by feds is worthless. So yeah i think about china and what its politics mean but now iim more iinterested in our various states and the feds are doing to tell us the whole story correctly so we as a people can truly participate in the democratic republic process to decide whats better for us PS fiddliin you are right on the thermometers all us tech btw. D like to see us get in the market with home built stuff thst works and leave china having to corner the market in rectal thermometersđ What you say on jobs is correct, BUT there's enough greed from everyone to go around. Everyone wanted a bigger piece of the pie. Politicians, bureaucrats with their rules/regulations/, workers/unions, corporate and consumers. Everyone was grabbing at what they thought was their fair share of the pie and destroyed it. |
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on May 3, 2020 10:03:04 GMT -5
Actually im not overlooking china we must as a country get our vital manufacturing and technology back home on our shores. Let them make cocktail umbrellas etc but if this pandeic has clearly shown us anything it has shown us how dependent we are on a hostile foreign entity for basics ljke pharmaceuticals and even phone technology. Oddly nut jobs like the faux indian senator are right about corporate greed they sold out jobs and work for dollars and as a people we bought into it as we liked the cheaper prices. We threw out basic human rights and worker rights when we did that. In that respect the paradigm must change we may end up paying more but good paying jobs will be created; tax bases increased and as a result hopefully defecit reduction as the nanny state decreases, pie in the sky maybe but a logical the meantime china has to eat we for good or bad are the only country in the world that can produce enough excess food to export. That is powerful and not really used as tariffs tended to extort the price of exchange. Actually if we take care of ourselves first and foremost aid to places that need it will happen naturally as we wont have fear of fiscal repercussions of you do this re we will do that. I also believe that given american production ingenuity and competition the initial rise in costs will begin ti drop. China is the big player we hurt them with money and we carry a real big stick there, talk of lawsuits by feds is worthless. So yeah i think about china and what its politics mean but now iim more iinterested in our various states and the feds are doing to tell us the whole story correctly so we as a people can truly participate in the democratic republic process to decide whats better for us PS fiddliin you are right on the thermometers all us tech btw. D like to see us get in the market with home built stuff thst works and leave china having to corner the market in rectal thermometersđ What you say on jobs is correct, BUT there's enough greed from everyone to go around. Everyone wanted a bigger piece of the pie. Politicians, bureaucrats with their rules/regulations/, workers/unions, corporate and consumers. Everyone was grabbing at what they thought was their fair share of the pie and destroyed it. I agree with you on that fiddlin however corporations through lobbying and willing reps let it happen unions which i do believe can be a Positive force for working america overplayed demanded to much and management decided to deal with it by shipping jobs management gains union lose. Then corps in the 70s decided they could use the vast amount of retirement healthcare funding to reinvest with the intent to pay the funds alas havad bidness degrees ain't necessarily a guarantee to company prosperity it does however seem to guarantee big severances for mis- management. I have no issue with folks making market driven salaries its the huge failure bonuses i hate especially when the folks laid off get a see you later letter and rarely any short term severance to help bridge jobs. Anyway you are very correct in greed and ignorance of ramifications of the greed drove everyone whether thats pay me more and cut your reinvestment monies or the i aint working and I'm not looking but pay me more to sit my ass at home and bitch how awful the country is. Most folkjs just want to work, love their families, play a bit and enjoy their lives but a significant number of folks who may in fact be willing to work truly do not know how as they have been nanny stated for so long vicious circle that is. Then there is alwas the 3 or 4 percent that are simply lazy. Human nature endures through out history |
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Post by ruppsrunt on May 3, 2020 10:19:18 GMT -5
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Post by fiddlingone on May 3, 2020 10:26:10 GMT -5
How do you determine the value of a worker when all workers and all work are not equal (proposed15$ min wage for example which will also increase other wages and raise costs)? Add into that all the outside influences(ie gov related costs-both directly and indirectly). Then we have stockholders demanding return on investment. We also have John Doe wanting to go to Walmart and getting a widget cheap. Is a worker worth X dollars when you can no longer sell your widget?
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Post by Des Moines Rugby on May 3, 2020 11:18:25 GMT -5
this whole thing goes beyond normal....common sense tells you that the goal is to destroy America so the beast system can be brought in...sovereign nations are in the way...
Eph 6:12Â For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.Â
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Post by houstoncat on May 3, 2020 11:47:38 GMT -5
How do you determine the value of a worker when all workers and all work are not equal (proposed15$ min wage for example which will also increase other wages and raise costs)? Add into that all the outside influences(ie gov related costs-both directly and indirectly). Then we have stockholders demanding return on investment. We also have John Doe wanting to go to Walmart and getting a widget cheap. Is a worker worth X dollars when you can no longer sell your widget? Thats coming from a man who has his own buisness and is a very valid point. I think yiu are saying demand and supply drive the pricing and those things might not supply x cost in employee compensation and benefits. For example we you might be able to meet wage needs retirement match or not you might not be able to meet required medical benefits something has to give. Thats why as a people we have to be able to let the buisness owner especially small buisnesses decide the best way he can operate and still provide jobs and the best benefits he can. Wages would i think be driven by job market and widget demand and benefits package the same. All workjers and available worker skills are not the same line workers do not necessarily have the skills necessary to design and set up the line or maintain it. Wages are based on that in real world. Not everyone is equal different skill sets educational levels etc. all are valuable when building widgets and are necessary. However demand may dictate work force reduction the big difference in bidness today is layoff go across the board blue and white collar if skill are needed at at acme brick the labor moves or can choose to if not they stay hoping to make widgets agin but one ,might realize that there may be fewer jobs at old compensation or in fact may of necessity be reduced to be competitive. Work like life isnât necessarily fair or equal. Attempts like communism and socialism have shown that the lack of competition for jobs and wages lead to poor production quality and further depression of the work force. Letting our small businesses and to some extent large one some leeway in how to run them is essential. If as a buisness you can operate at level A but cant get employees or more keep them due to the compensation you will go out of buisness or somehow adapt. No question it works spectacularly well with minimum or no govt intervention. It creates large taxpaying middle classes. Unfortunately govt creates large entitlements that suck that tax up and only marginally improving anything but a very well paid beaucracy. I am long winded fiddlin but your point is very valid and represents what really happens |
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Post by fiddlingone on May 3, 2020 11:59:10 GMT -5
How do you determine the value of a worker when all workers and all work are not equal (proposed15$ min wage for example which will also increase other wages and raise costs)? Add into that all the outside influences(ie gov related costs-both directly and indirectly). Then we have stockholders demanding return on investment. We also have John Doe wanting to go to Walmart and getting a widget cheap. Is a worker worth X dollars when you can no longer sell your widget? Thats coming from a man who has his own buisness and is a very valid point. I think yiu are saying demand and supply drive the pricing and those things might not supply x cost in employee compensation and benefits. For example we you might be able to meet wage needs retirement match or not you might not be able to meet required medical benefits something has to give. Thats why as a people we have to be able to let the buisness owner especially small buisnesses decide the best way he can operate and still provide jobs and the best benefits he can. Wages would i think be driven by job market and widget demand and benefits package the same. All workjers and available worker skills are not the same line workers do not necessarily have the skills necessary to design and set up the line or maintain it. Wages are based on that in real world. Not everyone is equal different skill sets educational levels etc. all are valuable when building widgets and are necessary. However demand may dictate work force reduction the big difference in bidness today is layoff go across the board blue and white collar if skill are needed at at acme brick the labor moves or can choose to if not they stay hoping to make widgets agin but one ,might realize that there may be fewer jobs at old compensation or in fact may of necessity be reduced to be competitive. Work like life isnât necessarily fair or equal. Attempts like communism and socialism have shown that the lack of competition for jobs and wages lead to poor production quality and further depression of the work force. Letting our small businesses and to some extent large one some leeway in how to run them is essential. If as a buisness you can operate at level A but cant get employees or more keep them due to the compensation you will go out of buisness or somehow adapt. No question it works spectacularly well with minimum or no govt intervention. It creates large taxpaying middle classes. Unfortunately govt creates large entitlements that suck that tax up and only marginally improving anything but a very well paid beaucracy. I am long winded fiddlin but your point is very valid and represents what really happens Again, I agree. You mentioned "in real world". That's a key and I'm not so sure how real the world is anymore. Maybe I'll identify as Jeff Bezo's son and he will throw a few mil my way. |
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