Post by houstoncat on Jun 15, 2020 10:18:55 GMT -5
Very Very unfortunate the policeman may be charged with murder, Chief of Police (evidently very supported by peeps and cops alike) resigns why? Why doesn't the Mayor resign happens on on her watch, IMO neither should resign
To break down this thing
Cops called by Wendy's store to remove or check on a man parked in the takeout window lane. Cops called to do a service
Cops get there no hostile intents at least by video cam, get the fella out and away and do a breathalyzer which he failed badly. Decision tree let him drive home (no), let him sit in area sober up (no that's the reason they were called), Arrest and detain the correct decision. They did this
While trying to cuff again no force applied, polite talk, the man goes berserk, Decision subdue with only force necessary to do so, no tazer used, no gun, tried to physically subdue (two or three cops not sure of that), He gets free grabs a tazer from a copy IMO probably going for the gun but no proof of that tazer resembles somewhat a gun in the schuffle.
Man runs, he's chased, told to stop several times, he turns an fires Tazer, deadly force used in return.
Now here is the issue. In the heat of the moment a cop made again IMO a very bad decision, why shoot? run him down or since you know where he lives find him and take him in. Again though even if trained this is spur of the moment, not systemic racism, he didn't shoot him because he was black at least I don't think so, I do hope not. I think he made a very bad decision that cost a life.
The man is ruined, I wouldn't doubt he's haunted by that, he's going to jail but is that Murder, that's what a Jury will have to decide or if some over zealous prosecutor over charges he could get off.
This is so awful, I'm not sure all of the training in the world would help, Even Seals the most highly trained combatants in the world make snap judgements that are not right.
What do we as a people need to do. First we need a very serious discussion about what's going on is it systemic if it is where does it come from i.e. cause/effect. These discussions and solutions need to come from the ground up, municipalities, villages, small town, large towns and states. We need to decide what is best for our welfare, not Washington, they will compound the situation will ill thought out blanket edicts that won't work.
We need to take a look at our men in blue as a whole in our communities, there will be bad cops because there are bad people, we need to see if those can get those weeded out. We need to be careful about looking at cops who have many complaints both from the type of complaints and those making the complaints, either way there should be action, public action. A policeman's record should follow him to other law enforcement agencies and yes to the private sector too. People need to know who or what they are hiring. That's just a couple of things
Bottom line, a man is dead, he really didn't need to be but Murder this situation is nothing like what happened a couple of years ago when a cop Planted false evidence. I just don't know honestly, manslaughter, homicide, most certainly it shouldn't have happened to the extent it did. We don't need to make light of this a drunk man made a bad decision compounded by a worse decision by a policeman. probably have all been there when drunk, but he should still be alive. We do not need to defund the police in fact they need more training, more money to work for us, better retirement, and life benefits. families are ruined and people inflamed. Why? We think we know but do we? you have to understand the disease before you can cure it. All we get is bigots on both sides trying to tell us we are the Bigots and hey know better.
Take hold of your community, solve and improve these issues at the lowest levels possible, you know what your community needs do something about it, plant he seed of solution it will spread and grow from he ground up not the top of the tree down.
Bad times, I had thought the 60's were worse, I'm not sure now. This is worse because we are much more divided and politician's like it that way.
To break down this thing
Cops called by Wendy's store to remove or check on a man parked in the takeout window lane. Cops called to do a service
Cops get there no hostile intents at least by video cam, get the fella out and away and do a breathalyzer which he failed badly. Decision tree let him drive home (no), let him sit in area sober up (no that's the reason they were called), Arrest and detain the correct decision. They did this
While trying to cuff again no force applied, polite talk, the man goes berserk, Decision subdue with only force necessary to do so, no tazer used, no gun, tried to physically subdue (two or three cops not sure of that), He gets free grabs a tazer from a copy IMO probably going for the gun but no proof of that tazer resembles somewhat a gun in the schuffle.
Man runs, he's chased, told to stop several times, he turns an fires Tazer, deadly force used in return.
Now here is the issue. In the heat of the moment a cop made again IMO a very bad decision, why shoot? run him down or since you know where he lives find him and take him in. Again though even if trained this is spur of the moment, not systemic racism, he didn't shoot him because he was black at least I don't think so, I do hope not. I think he made a very bad decision that cost a life.
The man is ruined, I wouldn't doubt he's haunted by that, he's going to jail but is that Murder, that's what a Jury will have to decide or if some over zealous prosecutor over charges he could get off.
This is so awful, I'm not sure all of the training in the world would help, Even Seals the most highly trained combatants in the world make snap judgements that are not right.
What do we as a people need to do. First we need a very serious discussion about what's going on is it systemic if it is where does it come from i.e. cause/effect. These discussions and solutions need to come from the ground up, municipalities, villages, small town, large towns and states. We need to decide what is best for our welfare, not Washington, they will compound the situation will ill thought out blanket edicts that won't work.
We need to take a look at our men in blue as a whole in our communities, there will be bad cops because there are bad people, we need to see if those can get those weeded out. We need to be careful about looking at cops who have many complaints both from the type of complaints and those making the complaints, either way there should be action, public action. A policeman's record should follow him to other law enforcement agencies and yes to the private sector too. People need to know who or what they are hiring. That's just a couple of things
Bottom line, a man is dead, he really didn't need to be but Murder this situation is nothing like what happened a couple of years ago when a cop Planted false evidence. I just don't know honestly, manslaughter, homicide, most certainly it shouldn't have happened to the extent it did. We don't need to make light of this a drunk man made a bad decision compounded by a worse decision by a policeman. probably have all been there when drunk, but he should still be alive. We do not need to defund the police in fact they need more training, more money to work for us, better retirement, and life benefits. families are ruined and people inflamed. Why? We think we know but do we? you have to understand the disease before you can cure it. All we get is bigots on both sides trying to tell us we are the Bigots and hey know better.
Take hold of your community, solve and improve these issues at the lowest levels possible, you know what your community needs do something about it, plant he seed of solution it will spread and grow from he ground up not the top of the tree down.
Bad times, I had thought the 60's were worse, I'm not sure now. This is worse because we are much more divided and politician's like it that way.
