Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Nov 11, 2019 8:15:54 GMT -5
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Nov 11, 2019 8:26:36 GMT -5
Another faaaaar right site linked here to try an prove facts. Funny how with most here that works just great 1 way but laughable the other way.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Nov 11, 2019 11:50:21 GMT -5
Fact is no qpq dems know they are going after bribery. we will see where that goes
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Nov 11, 2019 12:01:00 GMT -5
Fact is no qpq dems know they are going after bribery. we will see where that goes Play semantics much? Why are y'all so worried about a public hearing if your boy is not guilty? You guys are flopping positions faster than Lindsey Graham.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Nov 11, 2019 12:04:27 GMT -5
Trumpers in a panic n trying to grasp at straws and prepare ready made excuses.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Nov 11, 2019 14:19:47 GMT -5
Fact is no qpq dems know they are going after bribery. we will see where that goes Play semantics much? Why are y'all so worried about a public hearing if your boy is not guilty? You guys are flopping positions faster than Lindsey Graham. Hell I wanted the secret meeting to be open, fact is that dems are moving away from the qpq. Be that as it may I've said much earlier that the closed door hearings were wrong and should be in the open, shifty and peelousy had other ideas. We will see how well the two prime witnesses have been coached but I suspect that stuff shifty didn't want to come out will. At most those two folks have second had knowledge and opinions which are like assholes, we all have one. Negative stuff may come out too but frankly State in general has a poor rep. The ex-ambassador is hurt because she got her butt fired and no you don't need cause Oh why did shifty say the whistleblower couldn't testify? He is not legally protected. Just need to get the BS over and into the Senate we all know the fix is in in the house Bring it on JD in the open hearings and let the repubs bring in any witness they want or are you guys afraid of that?
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Nov 11, 2019 14:25:37 GMT -5
Play semantics much? Why are y'all so worried about a public hearing if your boy is not guilty? You guys are flopping positions faster than Lindsey Graham. Hell I wanted the secret meeting to be open, fact is that dems are moving away from the qpq. Be that as it may I've said much earlier that the closed door hearings were wrong and should be in the open, shifty and peelousy had other ideas. We will see how well the two prime witnesses have been coached but I suspect that stuff shifty didn't want to come out will. At most those two folks have second had knowledge and opinions which are like assholes, we all have one. Negative stuff may come out too but frankly State in general has a poor rep. The ex-ambassador is hurt because she got her butt fired and no you don't need cause Oh why did shifty say the whistleblower couldn't testify? He is not legally protected. Just need to get the BS over and into the Senate we all know the fix is in in the house Bring it on JD in the open hearings and let the repubs bring in any witness they want or are you guys afraid of that? I don't care what witnesses they bring. They all say the same thing. Of course the repubs want the whistle blower outed. That's wrong and they know it. But they want it to be a lesson to any future whistle blowers. And the repubs want to bring Biden into this. That's wrong too. Biden is not on trial here. Trump is on trail. The repubs don't want the truth. They can't handle the truth. They want to make this about everything except trump. Trump will be impeached. If the senate could vote by secret ballot Trump would be kicked out. But that's not gonna happen and the repubs don't have the courage to vote him out when their vote is seen.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Nov 11, 2019 15:00:14 GMT -5
I'll just have to disagree with you JD whistle blower should have to testify, he has pertinent information as to who leaked to him. Those folks didn't have the nads to do it themselves if infact they did. It could have been viderman which means he broke the law. , and The base fact is this the principles i.e. Zilenski, his government, and trump agree that there was no pressure to do the investigation and no do this or you don't get that.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Nov 11, 2019 15:17:35 GMT -5
I'll just have to disagree with you JD whistle blower should have to testify, he has pertinent information as to who leaked to him. Those folks didn't have the nads to do it themselves if infact they did. It could have been viderman which means he broke the law. , and The base fact is this the principles i.e. Zilenski, his government, and trump agree that there was no pressure to do the investigation and no do this or you don't get that. You don't think a whistle blower should be protected? Then just do away with the whole thing. Lets go back to the caves and just stone anyone we disagree with.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Nov 11, 2019 15:57:49 GMT -5
Protected how? He can't be fired because of that and Trump is not the Clintons where 56 of their "friends" have committed suicide.
But without being political, he is the primary complainant though he's not really a whistleblower (rules changed)and he should be questioned in the open in particular since everyone knows who he is already. You would get that right. Besides his complaint is heresy on several points that much has been shown. He has nothing to fear from anyone and in fact could if creditable in testimony could change many opinions. Dude gonna testify in the Senate if not now.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Nov 11, 2019 16:06:21 GMT -5
eric ciaramella a registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House, previously worked with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia “collusion” investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. Ciaramella was detailed over to the National Security Council from the agency in the summer of 2015, working under Susan Rice, President Obama’s national security adviser. He also worked closely with the former vice president. Federal records show that Biden’s office invited Ciaramella to an October 2016 state luncheon the vice president hosted for Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi. Other invited guests included Brennan, as well as then-FBI Director James Comey and then-National Intelligence Director James Clapper. www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/10/30/whistleblower_exposed_close_to_biden_brennan_dnc_oppo_researcher_120996.htmlnot a secret, except to anyone still pretending not to read the facts. rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Nov 11, 2019 16:49:16 GMT -5
Protected how? He can't be fired because of that and Trump is not the Clintons where 56 of their "friends" have committed suicide. But without being political, he is the primary complainant though he's not really a whistleblower (rules changed)and he should be questioned in the open in particular since everyone knows who he is already. You would get that right. Besides his complaint is heresy on several points that much has been shown. He has nothing to fear from anyone and in fact could if creditable in testimony could change many opinions. Dude gonna testify in the Senate if not now. There's the ole "my guy is guilty as hell but others are too" argument again. Might as well make that your logo.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Nov 11, 2019 16:51:19 GMT -5
eric ciaramella a registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House, previously worked with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia “collusion” investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. Ciaramella was detailed over to the National Security Council from the agency in the summer of 2015, working under Susan Rice, President Obama’s national security adviser. He also worked closely with the former vice president. Federal records show that Biden’s office invited Ciaramella to an October 2016 state luncheon the vice president hosted for Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi. Other invited guests included Brennan, as well as then-FBI Director James Comey and then-National Intelligence Director James Clapper. www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/10/30/whistleblower_exposed_close_to_biden_brennan_dnc_oppo_researcher_120996.htmlnot a secret, except to anyone still pretending not to read the facts. rr That's why the whistle blower should be protected. That's why we have whistle blower protections. So they won't be attacked to send a lesson to other potential whistle blowers. You attack the messenger instead of the bad deed doer.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Dec 24, 2008 12:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by Streeter on Nov 11, 2019 18:29:43 GMT -5
Simply if a government whistleblower has to testify n be known...... why would any in the future come forward. It's an argument being made by Rs on a strictly political basis. If this was revered an Trump was a dem they would be cheering the other way. If whistleblower rights cease to be protected it's a blow to safety in all facets.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 2, 2006 10:30:59 GMT -5
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Post by Des Moines Rugby on Nov 11, 2019 18:40:28 GMT -5
I'll just have to disagree with you JD whistle blower should have to testify, he has pertinent information as to who leaked to him. Those folks didn't have the nads to do it themselves if infact they did. It could have been viderman which means he broke the law. , and The base fact is this the principles i.e. Zilenski, his government, and trump agree that there was no pressure to do the investigation and no do this or you don't get that. that person is a whistleblower by the word only...by the rules the person doesn't qualify for whistleblower protection...beyond the fact it is 3rd hand information and the person making accusations is tied to the previous administration...if Trump had anything to hide he wouldn't have released the phone transcript...anybody that supports Pelosi and Adam Schiff needs to do some serious soul searching...I'm a former military officer if I thought Trump was the issue I would scream to the top of my lungs to remove the guy...the real damage to this country was done by Obama and Bush....that being said I won't be talking anymore on this subject....I don't talk politics with my family and friends...I consider folks on this board my friends...I don't want to damage that friendship by getting into a war of words on here...
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