Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on Nov 11, 2019 19:23:58 GMT -5
...I have seen where it's been proven that the whistleblower has be be been layin' round with the liberals in their own muck....IF, If, if anyone here on this here thread believes that the whistleblower is legit, then you just may be one of the biggest ignorant foo's I ever cummed across.....
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Nov 11, 2019 19:28:54 GMT -5
...I have seen where it's been proven that the whistleblower has be be been layin' round with the liberals in their own muck....IF, If, if anyone here on this here thread believes that the whistleblower is legit, then you just may be one of the biggest ignorant foo's I ever cummed across..... I believe he/she is legit.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Nov 11, 2019 19:29:09 GMT -5
Veterans and military today have zero empathy for the pretend "whistleblower" with ties to brennan, biden, clapper and the deep dirty DC state of disdain for taxpaying working CITIZENS.
2020 election will demonstrate the disdain for the deep state.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Nov 11, 2019 19:30:29 GMT -5
...I have seen where it's been proven that the whistleblower has be be been layin' round with the liberals in their own muck....IF, If, if anyone here on this here thread believes that the whistleblower is legit, then you just may be one of the biggest ignorant foo's I ever cummed across..... I believe he/she is legit. eric caramella is an operative. FACTS cannot be ignored. rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Nov 11, 2019 19:32:14 GMT -5
I believe he/she is legit. eric caramella is an operative. FACTS cannot be ignored. rr I agree. Yet the right wing nuts are hoping they get ignored.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 22, 2002 6:40:17 GMT -5
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Post by Riley on Nov 11, 2019 19:35:42 GMT -5
...I have seen where it's been proven that the whistleblower has be be been layin' round with the liberals in their own muck....IF, If, if anyone here on this here thread believes that the whistleblower is legit, then you just may be one of the biggest ignorant foo's I ever cummed across..... I believe he/she is legit. ... ...
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jun 3, 2002 11:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by ruppsrunt on Nov 11, 2019 19:44:35 GMT -5
eric may be a he/she in the world of lib idiocy---but pictures indicate "it" is male. rr
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Nov 11, 2019 20:00:14 GMT -5
eric may be a he/she in the world of lib idiocy---but pictures indicate "it" is male. rr Yes. But he may not be the whistle blower. That’s speculation of the right wing nuts.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Nov 11, 2019 20:03:50 GMT -5
I'll just have to disagree with you JD whistle blower should have to testify, he has pertinent information as to who leaked to him. Those folks didn't have the nads to do it themselves if infact they did. It could have been viderman which means he broke the law. , and The base fact is this the principles i.e. Zilenski, his government, and trump agree that there was no pressure to do the investigation and no do this or you don't get that. that person is a whistleblower by the word only...by the rules the person doesn't qualify for whistleblower protection...beyond the fact it is 3rd hand information and the person making accusations is tied to the previous administration...if Trump had anything to hide he wouldn't have released the phone transcript...anybody that supports Pelosi and Adam Schiff needs to do some serious soul searching...I'm a former military officer if I thought Trump was the issue I would scream to the top of my lungs to remove the guy...the real damage to this country was done by Obama and Bush....that being said I won't be talking anymore on this subject....I don't talk politics with my family and friends...I consider folks on this board my friends...I don't want to damage that friendship by getting into a war of words on here... Thanks for the thoughts and a good policy to follow on politics
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Nov 11, 2019 20:08:11 GMT -5
eric ciaramella a registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House, previously worked with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia “collusion” investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. Ciaramella was detailed over to the National Security Council from the agency in the summer of 2015, working under Susan Rice, President Obama’s national security adviser. He also worked closely with the former vice president. Federal records show that Biden’s office invited Ciaramella to an October 2016 state luncheon the vice president hosted for Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi. Other invited guests included Brennan, as well as then-FBI Director James Comey and then-National Intelligence Director James Clapper. www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/10/30/whistleblower_exposed_close_to_biden_brennan_dnc_oppo_researcher_120996.htmlnot a secret, except to anyone still pretending not to read the facts. rr That's why the whistle blower should be protected. That's why we have whistle blower protections. So they won't be attacked to send a lesson to other potential whistle blowers. You attack the messenger instead of the bad deed doer. Thing is trump is not guilty but you will belive what you wiill its your opinion right or wrong the iim,peachment referral is a done deal and n accordance with tradoitions of the house
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Nov 11, 2019 20:26:19 GMT -5
That's why the whistle blower should be protected. That's why we have whistle blower protections. So they won't be attacked to send a lesson to other potential whistle blowers. You attack the messenger instead of the bad deed doer. Thing is trump is not guilty but you will belive what you wiill its your opinion right or wrong the iim,peachment referral is a done deal and n accordance with tradoitions of the house No, I’m not a lemming. If the evidence doesn’t show that trump is guilty then I won’t think he’s guilty. But so far all the evidence points to the fact that he’s guilty. In fact, the transcript is clear as it can be. He wasn’t giving them the money unless they investigated his political rival. Trump says “read the transcript”. I did. Even though it’s not the full transcript it shows a quid pro quo. Everything else you said is just deflection. I don’t understand how you can look at the facts and deny their existence. But I would just as soon trump not be removed from office. Until he loses the election, that is. If he’s removed now then Pence takes over. If there’s a more unqualified person than Trump, it’s Pence.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Nov 11, 2019 21:01:14 GMT -5
Only fact is transcript where the”favor” was clearly with regard to the 2016 election. Its established that he wanted no qpq. Given they are noew trying for bribary with no direct evidence is proof of that. Im not going to convince you and you are willing to accept the vey facist treatment of evidence. Believe what you wll fine by me i bear no ill will for a different opinion even if i believe your wrong. And Q is full of it lots is going to come out not so good for everyone may be just what we need to get bad apples gone
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Nov 11, 2019 21:47:18 GMT -5
Only fact is transcript where the”favor” was clearly with regard to the 2016 election. Its established that he wanted no qpq. Given they are noew trying for bribary with no direct evidence is proof of that. Im not going to convince you and you are willing to accept the vey facist treatment of evidence. Believe what you wll fine by me i bear no ill will for a different opinion even if i believe your wrong. And Q is full of it lots is going to come out not so good for everyone may be just what we need to get bad apples gone It’s clear the dictator asked for the money. It’s clear that trump said he would give them the money once they investigated Biden. That’s quid pro quo. It’s not ambiguous. I’ve not been before a judge as an attorney but I’ve presented 100’s of cases before an arbitrator. I would love to have that evidence. But I would never get that chance. The other party would settle in a heartbeat when the other side had overwhelming evidence like that.
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Jan 9, 2006 11:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by houstoncat on Nov 11, 2019 22:38:24 GMT -5
Again you have made up your mind Not sure where you got zilenski asked for money. There was nothing in that transcript about money period nor was anything conditioned. Of the witnesses taylor had no direct evidence just an opinion and was out of the loop the ex ambassador was pissed because she lost her entitlement viderman had a history of not supporting his country in regards to the ukraine and managed to hear something the three professional transcribers did not the other direct witness nelson(?) stated he saw nothing wrong with the conversation all witness from state resented how the president used a third party lawyer to enquire(possibly rudy could be in some trouble) but that sort of diplomacy has been used by presidents ad nauseum. this is what we know without proper cross and a very through cross of the non-whistle blower.
All that being said we continue with circular arguments an investigation that wont allow cross testimony and a very conflicted prosecutor. The end is set the conviction or lack thereof is set meanwhile this congress in three years has accomplished jack.
At the end of the day you will have to and may be able to vote him out of office as it should be
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Became a Dynasty Defender: Apr 16, 2003 15:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by JD on Nov 11, 2019 23:28:09 GMT -5
Again you have made up your mind Not sure where you got zilenski asked for money. There was nothing in that transcript about money period nor was anything conditioned. Of the witnesses taylor had no direct evidence just an opinion and was out of the loop the ex ambassador was pissed because she lost her entitlement viderman had a history of not supporting his country in regards to the ukraine and managed to hear something the three professional transcribers did not the other direct witness nelson(?) stated he saw nothing wrong with the conversation all witness from state resented how the president used a third party lawyer to enquire(possibly rudy could be in some trouble) but that sort of diplomacy has been used by presidents ad nauseum. this is what we know without proper cross and a very through cross of the non-whistle blower. All that being said we continue with circular arguments an investigation that wont allow cross testimony and a very conflicted prosecutor. The end is set the conviction or lack thereof is set meanwhile this congress in three years has accomplished jack. At the end of the day you will have to and may be able to vote him out of office as it should be The whole conversation was about what they could get from the US. There wouldn't even had been a conversation otherwise. If this were a democrat you would be calling for his head. You guy impeached Clinton over a BJ. You are the one with your mind made up. And that is, Trump can do no wrong. Trump could come out tomorrow and say he did everything he's accused of and you would say he didn't. That he was coerced into saying it. It appears that the whole Trump administration is corrupt. But you see no wrong. IK cannot understand the blinders. As much as I dislike trump I can say that he's some good things. But you see no wrong. Trump could say the sky is black in the middle of the day and you would say, by gooly it is and anyone that says differently just has their mind made up that they don't like Trump. I've never seen anything like it. Reagan was Teflon but this is far beyond Teflon. This is Slick 50 kind of non stick to the Trumpers.
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